Shapley wrote:"Cuz we is McCoys."
I remember hearing about some blood feuds being reignited in what had been Yugoslavia when it broke up.
True civilzation seems to have eluded far too many human beings.
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Shapley wrote:"Cuz we is McCoys."
Shapley wrote:God, or the gods, or nature, or whatever term one chooses to define the eternal order of things, always seems to find interesting ways of thinning the herd.
In broad, but telling, generalities it's a tribal mentality.
The Germans are just that, a tribe, the Germanic tribe is the main one, but there are other sub-tribes that make up what we call “Germany.” In varying degrees almost all Europe is made up of tribes. They owe their allegiance to their tribe and don't really consider themselves to be a country. In Germany you have two and even three generations of Turks who were born in that country and are still considered to be "foreigners."
Research almost any European country and you'll find that the basis for their existence is essentially tribal; Franks, Germanics, Czechs, Slovaks, (anyone remember Czechoslovakia?) Basques - don't get me started on the tribal diversity of the country we know as "Spain" - the list is endless and I'm only talking about Europe. For a classic example of tribal disfunctionality look no further than the many countries of Africa.
From the obvious racial differences of Hutus and Tutsi (they look different) juxtaposed against the violence among Somalis who share ethnicity, language, and religion. They just kill each other because they belong to warring clans (tribes). If you take them out of their tribal boundaries and put them in, say the U.S., and they don't know what clan each other belongs to then they don't know they are suppose to kill each other.
In much of the world being a country is a polite fiction employed in order to be able to deal with the world's countries, many of which are also tribes masquerading as countries.
Don’t you ever wonder what, exactly, makes the U.S. a great country? A large portion of the credit goes to the cultural and racial diversity of our forebears who laid aside most of their tribal prejudices in order to make a better life for themselves and their families. To be sure, there are examples of tribal diversity within the U.S. but most of that diversity has been channeled (consciously or unconsciously) to the greater good of the country as a whole, how many non-Irish wear green on St. Patrick ’s Day?
And yet, there is something else at work in the U.S. besides the “melting pot” theory. I’m not sure what, exactly, it is, but it’s there and it’s been there since the beginning. Personally I think it is a recognition that to succeed we must have rules.
How else can you explain why, two hundred years ago, a bunch of rich, upper class white guys sat down and hammered out (what I believe to be) the most important set of rules for the conduct of humanity in the history of humanity? If we are a “tribe” then we are the most open and welcoming tribe in the history of mankind
I think this complete reliance on rules is what makes many of us ambivalent in the current fracas surround the immigration issue; in our very souls we want to welcome new people to our country/tribe, but we recognize that we only survive because we have rules.
And that’s what makes us special. We believe that we have rules; rules that apply, more or less, to all of us. Yes, those rules are imperfect at times but we believe in them and we believe that those rules make our lives betters.
Maybe its as simple as this; our dedication to our rules has replace the dedication to a tribe. We are a bastardized group and we are proud of that. How many countries recognize that your birth in the U.S., regardless of your parents’ citizenship, automatically confers U.S. citizenship to you? Hint, not many.
But…I could be completely wrong……go figure
Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been “overwhelmed” by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.
British officials, meanwhile, admit that the White House and US State Department staff were utterly bemused by complaints that the Prime Minister should have been granted full-blown press conference and a formal dinner, as has been customary. They concede that Obama aides seemed unfamiliar with the expectations that surround a major visit by a British prime minister. …
Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president’s surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.
A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama’s inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to “even fake an interest in foreign policy”. …
The American source said: “Obama is overwhelmed. There is a zero sum tension between his ability to attend to the economic issues and his ability to be a proactive sculptor of the national security agenda.
“That was the gamble these guys made at the front end of this presidency and I think they’re finding it a hard thing to do everything.”
Serenity wrote:If someone comes to visit you and then is outraged by the fact that you did not follow their protocol for proper interaction, what would you think? What would you do?
Haggis@wk wrote:Serenity wrote:If someone comes to visit you and then is outraged by the fact that you did not follow their protocol for proper interaction, what would you think? What would you do?
Pretty lame answer Serenity. Did you read it?
Obama violated our protocol which has been in place for decades for the staunchest ally the U.S. has.
As I said, if he had intentional done it to make a point then it was at least planned, whether anyone liked it the intente or not.
Now it turns out the White House offended England simply because Obama didn't know how to act.
Besides, I thought Obama was going to mend all the "badwill" the GWB caused all over the world. Even though England has been our ally most Brits hated GWB; that why I cancelled a vacation there last years. I'd been there in 2004 and was tired of all the snide comments. Giving a few DVDs was pathetic.
The best that can be said about Obama is that which has already been said, he is inexperienced, egotistical, inarticulate and ignorant; petty much the way you painted Bush.
Haggis@wk wrote:I think as a nation we have moved beyond those tribal behaviors and that is what makes us special.
Selma in Sandy Eggo wrote:I thought that there were Protocol Officers in the State Department, and that they serve the Government of the United States, no matter whose name is on the various political doors. Did the current administration not listen to guidance from State? Is anyone listening to the senior career civil servants? They are the guys who provide governmental continuity, but only if the temporary political guys will listen.
Seriously, protocol gaffes indicate that there's some system disconnect that shouldn't be there. This is not good.
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