2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Haggis@wk » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:57 pm

Shapley wrote:I didn't miss it.


That was directed at Piq
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby piqaboo » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:13 pm

I think its time to set OT on him. Honestly, I dont think, as a non-citizen, I'm the best one to lead the recall campaign.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Haggis@wk » Wed May 06, 2009 3:38 pm

Second Amendment Lesson: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader:

A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment. . . . Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.

“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.

Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.

That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.

The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.

“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.


If more home invaders had this experience, there would be fewer home invasions. If you have any doubt as to whether keeping colleges gun-free zones makes sense, I think this answers the question.

This student didn’t draw a gun and start shooting when it looked like a robbery. When the bad guys made it clear that they were going to kill them all, he drew and fired–and probably saved ten lives.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby barfle » Wed May 06, 2009 4:12 pm

When guns are outlawed...
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Haggis@wk » Wed May 06, 2009 5:03 pm

barfle wrote:When guns are outlawed...
Amen, brother. I'll never live in any state that has income tax and/or doesn't permit concealed carry.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby analog » Wed May 06, 2009 6:29 pm

dont know whether it's intentional, but this paragraph of "CIFTA" treaty could ban home reloading.
1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:

a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or

b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place;

http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/49907.htm

i'd like to think it's just that some silly staffers wrote the thing, career bureaucrats who have no life outside the office. ... Forgive them, Father. for they know not much ....

still, administration is pushing for it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... -in-mexic/

it would therefore be a good idea to write your senators demanding a phrase allowing home hobbyists to continue casting our own bullets and loading our own cartridges and to continue tinkering with our privately owned firearms.

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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Shapley » Wed May 06, 2009 8:48 pm

Yep, looks like a back door approach to banning it. Ammo is becoming scarce (they're blaming it on 'stockpiling', but I'm not so sure...), and now a backdoor to prevent you from loading your own.

Small wonder President Obama has backed off the assault-style weapon ban, he has bigger fish to fry...
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby piqaboo » Thu May 07, 2009 9:27 am

analog wrote:dont know whether it's intentional, but this paragraph of "CIFTA" treaty could ban home reloading.
1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:

a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or

b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place;

http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/49907.htm

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a.


Well, that would take all the fun out of old phone books.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby analog » Tue May 19, 2009 2:44 pm

i finally stumbled across it again, what I think Jefferson meant by "REGULATED" militia.

Main Entry:
reg·u·la·tion
Pronunciation:
\ˌre-gyə-ˈlā-shən, ˌre-gə- also ˌrā-\
Function:
noun
Date:
1665

1: the act of regulating : the state of being regulated

2 a: an authoritative rule dealing with details or procedure <safety regulations> b: a rule or order issued by an executive authority or regulatory agency of a government and having the force of law

3 a: the process of redistributing material (as in an embryo) to restore a damaged or lost part independent of new tissue growth b: the mechanism by which an early embryo maintains normal development

<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regulation">regulation</a>

ie an ad hoc 'get the local boys together' capability, that old botanist wag.
anybody else know of one word says it better?
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby piqaboo » Wed May 20, 2009 10:45 am

excellent
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu May 21, 2009 9:50 am

Some civil rights progress:

“Congress has voted to allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. The House today approved the measure, 279-147, one day after the Senate acted.”


An overwhelming bipartisan vote!
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby analog » Thu May 21, 2009 11:18 am

Haggis@wk wrote:Some civil rights progress:

“Congress has voted to allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. The House today approved the measure, 279-147, one day after the Senate acted.”


An overwhelming bipartisan vote!



well, we should fully disclose it was tacked on to a credit card reform measure. But bravo anyway!!!!

The gun amendment was attached to a bill imposing restrictions on credit card companies.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Shapley » Thu May 21, 2009 11:19 am

analog wrote:well, we should fully disclose it was tacked on to a credit card reform measure. But bravo anyway!!!!

The gun amendment was attached to a bill imposing restrictions on credit card companies.


Probably the only way to get Mr. Obama to sign it...
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:28 am

From gun control to knife control? Obama administration moves to ban 80% of knives. Reportedly, even “multitool” gadgets would be treated as equivalent to switchblades.
Coming soon: The Nanny Knife. Can’t these people just butt out?
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Shapley » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:01 am

Haggis@wk wrote:From gun control to knife control? Obama administration moves to ban 80% of knives. Reportedly, even “multitool” gadgets would be treated as equivalent to switchblades.
Coming soon: The Nanny Knife. Can’t these people just butt out?


On the Federal level, it only relates to importation. This will spur domestic production. The Swiss, however, will lose out on their second-biggest export, next to cheese. I'm not sure how the Swiss Army will find funding with the loss of knife sales.

Seriously, it is a bad idea. Sen. Feinstein and others have been pursuing bans on knives and swords for years, generally with little success. Now, it seems a back door approach has been found to dealing with it. Look for similar stealth measures to ban ammunition and imported firearms. If they don't have to dirty themselves with actual votes on the issue, they'll be all for it. We are fortunate to have watchdog groups keeping an eye on such matters.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby piqaboo » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:45 am

Look out, because next thing they'll target will be heels over 3.5 inches, with diameter <.75 in. Them things are dangerous, y'know.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:29 pm

Shapley wrote:
Haggis@wk wrote:From gun control to knife control? Obama administration moves to ban 80% of knives. Reportedly, even “multitool” gadgets would be treated as equivalent to switchblades.
Coming soon: The Nanny Knife. Can’t these people just butt out?


On the Federal level, it only relates to importation. This will spur domestic production. The Swiss, however, will lose out on their second-biggest export, next to cheese. I'm not sure how the Swiss Army will find funding with the loss of knife sales.

Seriously, it is a bad idea. Sen. Feinstein and others have been pursuing bans on knives and swords for years, generally with little success. Now, it seems a back door approach has been found to dealing with it. Look for similar stealth measures to ban ammunition and imported firearms. If they don't have to dirty themselves with actual votes on the issue, they'll be all for it. We are fortunate to have watchdog groups keeping an eye on such matters.


You missed the main point. It make driving across state lines with ANY one hand openable knife a federal offense regardless where the knife was manufactured.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby analog » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:56 pm

Look for similar stealth measures to ban ammunition and imported firearms.


they'll use the gluteus maximus of the nanny-state, the EPA.

they're after lead azide, the stuff in primers. here's some background info........
http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/CDReadyMJPC ... 7_5132.pdf
Currently, there are no producers of lead azide in the United States; all production utilizes an existing stockpile of material which suffers from particle morphology
issues related to aging. Lead styphnate is used in even greater quantities as a primer material in military and commercial small caliber ammunition and is manufactured in the US almost exclusively for captive use. Both materials release heavy metal into the environment during use and disposal, and require toxic or carcinogenic materials during manufacture. In 1993, a series of Executive Orders (EO 12856) were issued to reduce or eliminate procurement of hazardous substances and chemicals by federal facilities. These included directives to use
acquisition programs aimed at encouraging new technologies and building markets for environmentally friendly products. The EPA is considering using Section 6 of the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) to regulate sources of lead which they believe pose an "unreasonable risk" including ammunition.


just yesterday i saw my first box of California .38 special - the bullets are coated with nylon, to "..reduce airborne lead contamination..."

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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Shapley » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:33 am

Tennessee Set To Relax Gun Laws

A new measure would allow licensed gun owners to carry weapons in bars and restaurants. The bad guys already do this, and they know the good guys can't. The idea is to improve the armed good guy/armed bad guy ratio in these places in favour of the armed good guys.
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Re: 2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

Postby Haggis@wk » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:11 pm

Shapley wrote:Tennessee Set To Relax Gun Laws

A new measure would allow licensed gun owners to carry weapons in bars and restaurants. The bad guys already do this, and they know the good guys can't. The idea is to improve the armed good guy/armed bad guy ratio in these places in favour of the armed good guys.


In Texas, we can go into any establishment that doesn't derive 50% or more of its income from sale of alcohol, obviously that really only pertains to bars. Perry is being pushed to drop that as well as the ban on firearms in schools.
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