Draining the Swamp

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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Trumpetmaster » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:54 pm

if any of us abused the system in this manner..... we would not be allowed to get away with it....
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby piqaboo » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:02 pm

Ack. Time to write a letter. I hate writing letters.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Shapley » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:43 am

Largest-Ever Federal Payroll To Hit 2.15 Million Employees

The era of big government, declared to be over by President Clinton, is back.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Shapley » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:09 pm

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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Shapley » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:37 am

Anti-Tea Party Web Site Part of Scheme to Funnel Funds

Granted, Fox News is a supporter of the Tea Party movement, so they are focusing their reporting on this funnel of cash from labour unions against them. I have no doubt similar avenues exist for the funneling of corporate cash to the benefit of candidates. These avenues exist largely as a result of the prohibition on corporate and labour donations to political campaigns. The recent Supreme Court ruling will reduce the need for this type of legal 'money laundering', but I doubt it will eliminate it completely. I am sure there are candidates and causes unions and corporations may want to support covertly, for whatever reason, so this option will remain open.

For what it's worth, I would point out that McCain-Feingold increased the demand for this type of stealth funding, even though it was supposed to clean up the campaigns (the road to Hell is paved...etc., etc.). I have no doubt the Mr. Obama is aware of this type of stealth funding, and I have no doubt that he knows the recent Supreme Court ruling is not so onerous as he pretends it to be, which leads me to wonder what he expects to gain by keeping the cash below the table...
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby analog » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:51 am

McCain-Feingold increased the demand for this type of stealth funding,


just as a "no trespassing" sign only keeps out honest folks.

I argued with Socialist Stepson that the SC decision is good because it leveled the playing field - returns NRA to equal standing with Acorn.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Shapley » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:54 am

analog wrote:just as a "no trespassing" sign only keeps out honest folks.

I argued with Socialist Stepson that the SC decision is good because it leveled the playing field - returns NRA to equal standing with Acorn.


Exactly right. Rules are a hinderance rather than a help if they only apply to one side...
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby analog » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:40 pm

Watching the news (and paying my bills) I feel like i'm getting skewered by carbon tax wackos, cap & trade swindlers, insurance industry extortionists, wall street pirates, credit card predators, and facing probable confiscation of my retirement (google Ghilarducci) all with blessings of this capricious mob we call congress.

What happened?

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative ... lyceum.htm
I know the American People are much attached to their Government;--I know they would suffer much for its sake;--I know they would endure evils long and patiently, before they would ever think of exchanging it for another. Yet, notwithstanding all this, if the laws be continually despised and disregarded, if their rights to be secure in their persons and property, are held by no better tenure than the caprice of a mob,the alienation of their affections from the Government is the natural consequence; and to that, sooner or later, it must come.

A. Lincoln, The Perpetuation of Our Political Institutions:
Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois
January 27, 1838


How'd he know?

We need to throw the bums out while the revolt can still be handled at the ballot box..

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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Shapley » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:56 pm

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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby jamiebk » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:11 pm

Yeah....right....the guy takes trips and claims that he doesn't know who paid for them??? It is totally incredible that he would take a trip and not ask who was picking up the tab.... his staff knew...there is no way that he didn't. What a liar.

"Rangel asserted that the ethics report "exonerates" him because it says there is no evidence that he knew the trips were sponsored by corporations. The report said his staff knew who paid for the trips."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35602415/ns ... itol_hill/

He needs to go. If the Demos don't call for this they should be painted with the same brush.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:54 pm

jamiebk wrote:If the Demos don't call for this they should be painted with the same brush.


I think they know that and a few have already called for his resignation. I can almost state with near certainty that he'll stay put. He's too powerful and the CBC (who secretly detested "Dollar Bill" Jefferson but still backed him) will not allow that to happen. I think that will backfire, especially in those Districts that went for McCain (over 30, I think)

I want to believe the Republicans, if they get into power, would be different...I want to, but I have a sick feeling they might not. I am seriously imbued with a cautious optimism that many of the Republicans being recruited by the RNCC appear to be newcomers rather than the guys who lost in 2006.:pray:
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” Alexis De Tocqueville 1835
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby jamiebk » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:52 am

Buh-bye :mrgreen:
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Rangel steps down as tax panel chairman
Embattled Democrat takes 'leave of absence' amid ongoing ethics probe

BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
updated 6:39 a.m. PT, Wed., March. 3, 2010

WASHINGTON - Rep. Charles Rangel announced Wednesday he will temporarily step down as chairman of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee, saying he didn't want his ethics controversy to jeopardize election prospects for fellow Democrats.

The 20-term Harlem congressman held a news conference on short notice, telling reporters, "My chairmanship is bringing so much attention to the press, and in order to avoid my colleagues having to defend me during their elections, I have this morning sent a letter" asking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi "to grant me a leave of absence until such time as the ethics committee completes its work."

The 79-year-old Rangel's decision was another jarring setback for President Barack Obama and majority Democrats in Congress, coming at a time when the party is scrambling to save sweeping health care overhaul legislation that has been pending on Capitol Hill for well over a year and still assessing a surging anti-incumbent fervor among the voters.

Republicans had been calling for Rangel to step aside since last year, when the House ethics panel expanded its investigation into his trips, assets and income, use of rent-controlled apartments in New York and his solicitation of contributions for university center to be named after him. After the panel released its findings last Friday on the Caribbean trips, Rangel started losing support among rank-and-file Democrats as well.

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His departure from the Ways and Means chairmanship raised questions about succession.

Rep. Fortney "Pete" Stark of California is the most senior Democrat on Ways and Means, but there's no certainty that Pelosi would name him to fill in for Rangel. Stark chairs the panel's health subcommittee.

Other senior Democrats on the committee include Reps. Sander Levin of Michigan, Jim McDermott of Washington, John Lewis of Georgia and Richard Neal of Massachusetts.

Rangel is tied with Rep. Bill Young, a Florida Republican, for fourth place in congressional seniority.

The congressman made only a brief statement, telling reporters, "If you don't mind, I don't take questions." But he did say that'd told Pelosi "from the very, very beginning" that he was willing to step aside, at least temporarily.

Rangel, who met privately Tuesday with Pelosi, is accused by the House ethics panel of violating gift rules.

Party members want an untainted leader to be their chief negotiator in deciding the fate of billions of dollars in expiring tax breaks at year's end, including popular income tax deductions for sales and property taxes.

And Democratic incumbents facing tough races didn't want to fend off a Republican campaign focusing on Rangel's ethical cloud, especially after Pelosi, D-Calif., had promised to drain the swamp of ethical problems that plagued Republicans when they ran the House.

The ethics committee said Rangel violated standards of conduct by accepting 2007 and 2008 trips to Caribbean conferences that were financed by corporations. The committee said it could not prove whether Rangel knew of the corporate payments but concluded members of his staff knew about them — and the congressman was responsible for their actions.

Rangel said he didn't even have "constructive knowledge" of the corporate sponsorship of the trips and couldn't be held responsible for something staff members may have known but which he didn't.

In a separate case, the ethics committee is looking into Rangel's fundraising for a college center to be established in his name, in addition to other allegations — including belated financial disclosure filings that showed he previously failed to report hundreds of thousands of dollars in investments.

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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby jamiebk » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:03 am

Haggis@wk wrote: I can almost state with near certainty that he'll stay put. He's too powerful and the CBC (who secretly detested "Dollar Bill" Jefferson but still backed him) will not allow that to happen.


Rangel has stepped down...no doubt with a lot of prodding
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Shapley » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:06 am

He's only stepped down temporarily. He expects his job back after the elections are over.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby jamiebk » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:50 am

Would you prefer he be shot?.............He has stepped down. It doesn't matter what he "expects". Once he is out it will be very difficult for him to try and reclaim the slot he vacated.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Shapley » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:28 am

jamiebk wrote:Would you prefer he be shot?..


It might provide a disintive for other 'public servants'. However, I would be happy were he to be impeached. It's obvious he can't be shamed out of office.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby analog » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:38 pm

jamiebk wrote:Would you prefer he be shot?.............


In these times i'd take the fifth on that one...
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:15 am

Confressman "
If you don't tie our hands we will keep stealing"
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” Alexis De Tocqueville 1835
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby DavidS » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:31 pm

Haggis@wk wrote:Confressman "
If you don't tie our hands we will keep stealing"

Deuteronomy 25:4
Thou shalt not muzzle an ox while it is threshing grain.
Tel grain, tel pain.
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Re: Draining the Swamp

Postby Haggis@wk » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:37 pm

DavidS wrote:
Haggis@wk wrote:Confressman "
If you don't tie our hands we will keep stealing"

Deuteronomy 25:4
Thou shalt not muzzle an ox while it is threshing grain.



This is more about the farmer eating parts of the oxen while demanding it continues to work
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