Mosque at Ground Zero?

[Haggis@wk]

The City of New York has approved the application to build a 15 story mosque on the site of Ground Zero. The Imam involved in the project is...controversial to say the least. Now we learn that the State Department (meaning us) is funding his trip throughout the Middle East. He says he won't do any fundraising but Arabic papers are reporting that he will. And finally, we learn that the U.S. is rebuilding Mosques throughout the world. Does anyone think the Left would approve funding to repair churches in Italy damaged by earthquakes?

[dai bread]

There is a case for building a mosque at Ground Zero. It largely rests on the concept of atonement- the mosque is there in the spirit of togetherness and brotherhood. If there is a neighbourhood church, it would be good to have them side by side.

However, at 15 stories it's excessive, even though it will be dwarfed by the surrounding buildings. Why does a mosque need to be that big anyway? How many churches are? And if the imam pushing it is dodgy, then the answer has to be definite "NO".

[Haggis@wk]

There is a case for building a mosque at Ground Zero. It largely rests on the concept of atonement- the mosque is there in the spirit of togetherness and brotherhood. If there is a neighbourhood church, it would be good to have them side by side.

All you need to know is that the mosque was offered another location and turned it down; this is a provocation. It is scheduled to open 09/11/11 and radical Islamists all over the world will be high fiving over the triumph.

The real irony is another developer is planning to build a gay bar next to the mosque and has planned to have a special area for gay Muslims. The Imam has accused the developer of "insensitivity"; like I said, irony.

Actually, I'm surprised HRH hasn't killed this thread; she has in the past.

[Shapley]

I am not keen on the idea. However, I do not favour altering existing laws to prevent it. If it can be built compliant with current law, then there is no legal means to block it. No government funding, municipal, state, or federal, should be spent on the project, however.

[dai bread]

Let's hope the gay bar goes ahead. Another for women would be a good idea too.

[jamiebk]

Let's hope the gay bar goes ahead. Another for women would be a good idea too.

Since it is zoned "Light Commercial" there should be no problem in getting a strip club across the street either. A jewish temple would fit in nicely too.

[dai bread]

There's always more than one way to skin a cat.

[Trumpetmaster]

9/11/11 is when they plan to open it.

Sorry.... I cannot believe that was by contruction planning but just another passive agressive snub to America.
In this case, there should be no mosque there. Why does it have to be 15 stories tall? There are other mosque's
I have seen that are not large at all in OTHER parts of the tri-state area.

You can argue the point peace, brotherhood, etc.... I am all for that... but
let's connect the dots here.

This is intentional to get under our skin and offensive. IMHO.

End of rant......

[Trumpetmaster]

BTW - One week after 9/11 we went down to the site.

I WILL NEVER FORGET THOSE IMAGES.

Baracades not allowing anyone close, but you could see enough.
Smoke rising from the site. The eerie quiet that surrounded the area.
Thousands of people standing in shock staring at the devestation.
I remember staring at a steel support beam the should have been straight, but was in the shape of a candy cane.

Pictures all over the place. The dust from the collapse was blocks away.

Sorry, connect the dots and lets stop trying to be poliitcally correct on this one.
This should not be allowed..... IMHO

[dai bread]

9/11/11 is when they plan to open it.

Sorry.... I cannot believe that was by contruction planning but just another passive agressive snub to America.
In this case, there should be no mosque there. Why does it have to be 15 stories tall? There are other mosque's
I have seen that are not large at all in OTHER parts of the tri-state area.

You can argue the point peace, brotherhood, etc.... I am all for that... but
let's connect the dots here.

This is intentional to get under our skin and offensive. IMHO.

End of rant......

If that opening date was a matter of construction planning they'd have changed it before it saw daylight. Get busy with those bars, people.

[analog]

will they be able to get it built? i would expect pushback from the local union halls.

a

[Trumpetmaster]

will they be able to get it built? i would expect pushback from the local union halls.

a

you never know.... with the state of the economy... it is work.....

[Haggis@wk]

will they be able to get it built? i would expect pushback from the local union halls.

a

Analog,

It'll get built the way that almost every mosque in America is built, with Saudi money. Since 1973 the Saudis have spent $87BIL building mosques and schools all over the world. If American Muslims had to actually pay for them we'd have a heckuva lot less, including this one.

[Haggis@wk]

On my local talk radio station a caller said building a mosque on GZ is the same as Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima, it was a symbol of conquest. We took it and we owned it. I believe he is correct and I also believe the greater Muslim world will see it as just that, a sign that Islam triumphed over Christianity

[jamiebk]

On my local talk radio station a caller said building a mosque on GZ is the same as Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima, it was a symbol of conquest. We took it and we owned it. I believe he is correct and I also believe the greater Muslim world will see it as just that, a sign that Islam triumphed over Christianity

yep................

[dai bread]

I believe the greater Muslim world couldn't care less. Unfortunately the media manipulators who claim to follow the faith do care, and will trumpet the date of opening like Joshua at Jericho.

[Haggis@wk]

I remember the videos (now very scarce on the web) of Arabs dancing in the streets from every Arab country in the Middle East on 9/11; I believe they will care.

[dai bread]

You're probably right about the Arabs, Haggis. My thinking tends more towards Indonesians and Malaysians.

[lliam]

When these people ask for planning permission to build another mosque, the following question should be asked. "How Many More mosques do you want to build"?

We have over 1300+ in the UK and still they want more where I live there is a mosque or temple within a stones throw of each other.

[Shapley]

We have over 1300+ in the UK and still they want more where I live there is a mosque or temple within a stones throw of each other.

Are they well attended? When I was in Europe, I noticed lots and lots of Churches. Many, however, are shuttered. Many of the others are sparsely attended. Some have been converted to concert halls, and museums.

In Venice, they are often side-by-side, with a small church in honour of some saint adjacent to a Basilica in honour of St. Mary or an apostle.

In America, where we have a variety of Christian denominations, churches are often side-by-side as well. Even in the rural communities, there may be several. Our community, of about 30,000 people, has at least four Catholic Churches, at least one Orthodox Church, at least half-a-dozen Lutheran Churches, several Methodist Churches, several Baptist Churches, a number of Assembly of God churches, some Pentecostal Churches, at least one Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and more than one 'non-denominational' church. I'm sure there are others I'm overlooking.

I assume the Muslims are similarly denominated, with fundamentalists, modernists, and so on.