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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Trumpetmaster » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:24 am

Giant Communist Robot wrote:Spent Sunday with my Cub Scout son placing leis and flags on the graves at the Veteran's Cemetary of the Pacific in the Punchbowl crater. Every grave gets a lei and a flag. All 33,000 of them. We've done this four years now. Other years graves get two leis, but a drought caused a shortage of flowers. When finished, the whole crater was perfumed with the scent of plumeria.

My wife and Girl Scout daughter went to the windward side where there is a second Veteran's cemetary. There were only 300 leis for 8,000 graves. The leis are made mostly by high school students, but due to budget cuts the schools finished early this year, so there was no one to make them.

I read the plaques on the graves. Sort of a laconic biography. Name, DOB, DOD, branch of service. Most of those killed were in the 18 to 23 age group. So young. This year, near the front, I found one "Unidentified. USS Arizona." Also seven unidentified, USS Oklahoma. The body parts from seven individuals in one grave. Who were they? Someones' brothers, husbands, someones' sons.

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Went to Calverton National Cemetary here on Long Island. We visit family and friends who were laid to rest there.
The Boy Scout troups do the same (not put the Lei's down) but each grave has an American Flag.
They had services throughout the day to honor those who lost their lives for our freedom.

It is truly an amazing site.

God Bless all those who serve our country and we should always remember those who gave their lives for our freedom.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:36 am

GCR and TM,

Thank you for raising your children to remember what Memorial Day is all about.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Shapley » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:15 am

Lost World War II Battlefield Found, Including Bodies

The battlefield is deep in the jungles of Papau New Guinea.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby dai bread » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:06 pm

Here is some sacrilege. I find the tv series "The Pacific" boring, and watch it only out of a sense of duty.

I can't fathom why that is so. It's made by the same people who made "Band of Brothers" (Spielberg and Hanks), in the same documentary-style way, but it just doesn't grab me as it should. Goodness knows, it's about my neck of the woods, though luckily, and thanks entirely to Americans, figuratively rather than literally.

Possibly following three people rather than one company dilutes the story too much, or maybe island-hopping just means one battle after another and they all look the same. Whatever the reason, I feel quite guilty about not being rapt in the program.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:54 pm

dai bread wrote:Here is some sacrilege. I find the tv series "The Pacific" boring, and watch it only out of a sense of duty.

I can't fathom why that is so. It's made by the same people who made "Band of Brothers" (Spielberg and Hanks), in the same documentary-style way, but it just doesn't grab me as it should. Goodness knows, it's about my neck of the woods, though luckily, and thanks entirely to Americans, figuratively rather than literally.

Possibly following three people rather than one company dilutes the story too much, or maybe island-hopping just means one battle after another and they all look the same. Whatever the reason, I feel quite guilty about not being rapt in the program.



Hank's infused some of his "Americans hatred of the the Japanese was because Americans were bigots" into this series and I think it suffered because of it.

BoBs was specifically based on the book, BoBs, by Stephen Ambrose (sitting on my booksheflt as I write this, I can recommend "Pegasus Bridge" for an exciting story of British "Special Forces" also on 06/06/44)

I saw a special about the filming of BoBs and Ambrose and the actual members of BoBs were very, VERY critical of anything filmed that did not actually happen the way they reported it and Ambrose wrote and held Hanks feet to the fire.

The result was a series my wife has watched and re-watched several times; a critical acclaimation from a person who has little regard for war stories (other than my own, of course!) :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby piqaboo » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:16 pm

Army Specialist Kenneth Necochea Jr. (age 21) was killed in action in Afghanistan. The viewing was today, the funeral tomorrow - I guess that makes them both memorial days. His mom is a co-worker, tho not someone I know personally.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:36 pm

I am so sorry to see another Blue Star Mom become a Gold Star Mom. If you do speak with her please convey my sympathy. I can't even begin to pretend I understand her pain.

I frequently use this prayer:

ALMIGHTY God, our heavenly Father, in whose hands are the living and the dead; We give thee thanks for all those thy servants who have laid down their lives in the service of our country. Grant to them thy mercy and the light of thy presence, that the good work which thou hast begun in them may be perfected; through Jesus Christ thy Son our Lord. Amen.

"Mansion of the Lord" I've done this twice in my 28 year career and both times I fought not to embarass myself.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:34 am

Dick Winters, American hero and inspiration for the "Band of Brothers" book and TV series has died

I am so saddened.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Shapley » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:25 pm

R.I.P.

I finally saw Band of Brothers all the way through. One of the cable networks, TNT perhaps, had been airing it over Memorial Day weekend from start to finish, and then again over either the Fourth of July or Veteran's Day weekend, which allowed me to see almost all of it. I bought the DVD set and 'filled in the blanks' by watching the episodes I had missed.

It was well done, I think.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby dai bread » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:45 pm

It was indeed.

Which is why I was very disappointed with "The Pacific". Made in the same way, by the same people, but dead boring.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby jamiebk » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:47 pm

Shapley wrote:R.I.P.

I finally saw Band of Brothers all the way through. One of the cable networks, TNT perhaps, had been airing it over Memorial Day weekend from start to finish, and then again over either the Fourth of July or Veteran's Day weekend, which allowed me to see almost all of it. I bought the DVD set and 'filled in the blanks' by watching the episodes I had missed.

It was well done, I think.


Many veterans had a hard time sitting through the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. I think that movie defined what war really is.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Shapley » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:49 pm

I heard from one who felt the same away about A Bridge Too Far.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby piqaboo » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:53 pm

Oh dear. I saw that one as a young teen, and Private Ryan reminded me of it often.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:22 pm

Airmen missing from Vietnam War identified

WASHINGTON (AFRNS) -- The Department of Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office announced Jan. 12 that the remains of two servicemen, missing in action from the Vietnam War, have been identified and returned to their families for burial with full military honors.

Air Force Col. James E. Dennany, 34, of Kalamazoo, Mich., and Maj. Robert L. Tucci, 27, of Detroit, will be buried as a group Jan. 14, in the Dallas-Ft. Worth National Cemetery.

On Nov. 12, 1969, Colonel Dennany and Major Tucci were flying the No. 3 aircraft of three F-4Ds escorting an AC-130 gunship on a night strike mission over Laos. After the gunship attacked six trucks and set two of them on fire, the AC-130 crew's night-vision equipment was impacted by the glow from the fires. They requested that Major Tucci attack the remaining trucks. During the attack, gunship crew members observed anti-aircraft artillery gunfire directed at Major Tucci's plane followed by a large explosion. No radio transmissions were heard from the F-4D following the attack and no parachutes were seen in the area. An immediate electronic search revealed nothing and no formal search was initiated because of heavy anti-aircraft fire in the area.

Beginning in the mid-1990s analysts at DPMO and the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command developed case leads they collected from wartime reporting and archival research.

In 1994, a joint U.S.-Lao People's Democratic Republic team led by JPAC analyzed leads, interviewed villagers, and surveyed five reported crash sites near the record loss location with negative results.

In 1999, during another joint survey, officials in Ban Soppeng, Laos, turned over remains later determined to be human, two .38 caliber pistols and other crew-related equipment that villagers had recovered from a nearby crash site. Between 1999 and 2009, other joint U.S.-L.P.D.R. teams pursued leads, interviewed villagers, and conducted three excavations. They recovered aircraft wreckage, human remains, crew-related equipment and personal effects.

JPAC scientists used forensic tools and circumstantial evidence in the identification of the remains.

With the accounting of these airmen, 1,702 service members still remain missing from the conflict.

For additional information on the Defense Department's mission to account for missing Americans, visit the DPMO website at www.dtic.mil/dpmo/ or call 703-699-1169.

More of our fallen returned to their families

RIP
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby dai bread » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:09 pm

I've re-watched "Das Boot" in 2 sessions (1 per DVD). It's every bit as enthralling as the first time I saw it, in 6 parts on TV. If you're wondering about timing, the TV version was expanded with ads.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:53 pm

We volunteered to put leis and flags on the graves at the Cemetery of the Pacific in the Punchbowl Crater again this year. The Boy Scouts do a good job. I don't think it takes any more than 90 minutes. What's time consuming is the bus ride to the base of the crater, the walk up and the walk down. Oh, and the speeches from the dignitaries. Linky
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:01 pm

USMC Staff Sgt. Jason Rogers, 28, was killed in action by an IED while saving a fellow Marine in Helmand Province, Afghanistan on April 7. Sgt. Rogers was assigned to the 2nd Combat Engineer Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, out of Camp Lejeune, N.C. This was his fifth combat tour in Afghanistan. His fifth.

Sgt. Rogers was buried in Brandon, Mississippi last Saturday.

The human vermin of the Phelps family, venomous traitors who style themselves the Westboro Baptist Church, who insult decent people from coast to coast by shouting vile slander at the funerals of heroes, threatened to protest this funeral as well. Yet, not a whiff of their stench fouled the air anywhere near the procession nor funeral.

Therein lies the story.

According to a poster on The Oxford Square, a message board for Ole Miss, the Phelps made it to town, but got no further:

They did show up, a few showed up a couple of days early.

A couple of days before, one of them ran his mouth at a Brandon gas station and got his ass waxed. Police were called and the beaten man could not give much of a description of who beat him. When they canvassed the station and spoke to the large crowd that had gathered around, no one seemed to remember anything about what had happened.

Rankin County handled this thing perfectly. There were many things that were put into place that most will never know about and at great expense to the county. Most of the morons never made it out of their hotel parking lot. It seems that certain Rankin county pickup trucks were parked directly behind any car that had Kansas plates in the hotel parking lot and the drivers mysteriously disappeared until after the funeral was over.

Police were called but their wrecker service was running behind and it was going to be a few hours before they could tow the trucks so the Kansas plated cars could get out. A few made it to the funeral but were ushered away to be questioned about a crime they might have possibly been involved in. Turns out, after a few hours of questioning, that they were not involved and they were allowed to go on about their business.

Ranking deserves a hand in how they handled this situation.


Yes, yes, it was wrong and I'm working on developing a sense of outrage on how their rights were trampled....strangely enough I'm not feeling it much. :rofl:
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby piqaboo » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:55 pm

Clever.
The official vehicles shouldnt have been, and there should have been legit things causing the tow vehicles to run late, so that citizens took the hit, not law enforcement.
That would have been more clever and less 'icky', because if they can do it for you, they can do it against you too.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue May 17, 2011 9:49 am

Giant Communist Robot wrote:We volunteered to put leis and flags on the graves at the Cemetery of the Pacific in the Punchbowl Crater again this year. The Boy Scouts do a good job. I don't think it takes any more than 90 minutes. What's time consuming is the bus ride to the base of the crater, the walk up and the walk down. Oh, and the speeches from the dignitaries. Linky


I meant to thank you when I first read that. My father and mother mentioned the "Punch Bowl" when I was growing up but we left Hawaii before my second birthday so I have no memory of living there. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to honor those dead.
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Re: Memorial Day

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue May 17, 2011 10:14 am

Friday Mornings at the Pentagon

By JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY
McClatchy Newspapers

Over the last 12 months, 1,042 soldiers, Marines, sailors and Air Force personnel have given their lives in the terrible duty that is war.

Thousands more have come home on stretchers, horribly wounded and facing months or years in military hospitals.

This week, I'm turning my space over to a good friend and former roommate, Army Lt. Col.. Robert Bateman, who recently completed a yearlong tour of duty and is now back at the Pentagon.

Here's Lt. Col. Bateman's account of a little-known ceremony that fills the halls of the Army corridor of the Pentagon with cheers, applause and many tears every Friday morning. It first appeared on May 17 on the Weblog of media critic and pundit Eric Alterman at the Media Matters for America Website.

"It is 110 yards from the "E" ring to the "A" ring of the Pentagon. This section of the Pentagon is newly renovated; the floors shine, the hallway is broad, and the lighting is bright. At this instant the entire length of the corridor is packed with officers, a few sergeants and some civilians, all crammed tightly three and four deep against the walls. There are thousands here.

"This hallway, more than any other, is the `Army' hallway. The G3 offices line one side, G2 the other, G8 is around the corner. All Army. Moderate conversations flow in a low buzz. Friends who may not have seen each other for a few weeks, or a few years, spot each other, cross the way and renew.

"Everyone shifts to ensure an open path remains down the center. The air conditioning system was not designed for this press of bodies in this area.

"The temperature is rising already. Nobody cares. "10:36 hours: The clapping starts at the E-Ring. That is the outermost of the five rings of the Pentagon and it is closest to the entrance to the building. This clapping is low, sustained, hearty. It is applause with a deep emotion behind it as it moves forward in a wave down the length of the hallway.

"A steady rolling wave of sound it is, moving at the pace of the soldier in the wheelchair who marks the forward edge with his presence. He is the first. He is missing the greater part of one leg, and some of his wounds are still suppurating. By his age I expect that he is a private, or perhaps a private first class.

"Captains, majors, lieutenant colonels and colonels meet his gaze and nod as they applaud, soldier to soldier. Three years ago when I described one of these events, those lining the hallways were somewhat different. The applause a little wilder, perhaps in private guilt for not having shared in the burden ... Yet.

"Now almost everyone lining the hallway is, like the man in the wheelchair, also a combat veteran. This steadies the applause, but I think deepens the sentiment. We have all been there now. The soldier's chair is pushed by, I believe, a full colonel.

"Behind him, and stretching the length from Rings E to A, come more of his peers, each private, corporal, or sergeant assisted as need be by a field grade officer.

"11:00 hours: Twenty-four minutes of steady applause. My hands hurt, and I laugh to myself at how stupid that sounds in my own head. My hands hurt. Please! Shut up and clap. For twenty-four minutes, soldier after soldier has come down this hallway - 20, 25, 30.. Fifty-three legs come with them, and perhaps only 52 hands or arms, but down this hall came 30 solid hearts.

"They pass down this corridor of officers and applause, and then meet for a private lunch, at which they are the guests of honor, hosted by the generals. Some are wheeled along. Some insist upon getting out of their chairs, to march as best they can with their chin held up, down this hallway, through this most unique audience. Some are catching handshakes and smiling like a politician at a Fourth of July parade. More than a couple of them seem amazed and are smiling shyly.

"There are families with them as well: the 18-year-old war-bride pushing her 19-year-old husband's wheelchair and not quite understanding why her husband is so affected by this, the boy she grew up with, now a man, who had never shed a tear is crying; the older immigrant Latino parents who have, perhaps more than their wounded mid-20s son, an appreciation for the emotion given on their son's behalf. No man in that hallway, walking or clapping, is ashamed by the silent tears on more than a few cheeks. An Airborne Ranger wipes his eyes only to better see. A couple of the officers in this crowd have themselves been a part of this parade in the past.

"These are our men, broken in body they may be, but they are our brothers, and we welcome them home. This parade has gone on, every single Friday, all year long, for more than four years.
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