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Re: Libya

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:40 pm

dai bread wrote:If you mean ground troops,GCR, then we have reached the same conclusion by different routes.



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Re: Libya

Postby Shapley » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:46 am

I think ground troops are ineveitable, whether ours or NATO's or somebody else's. There is only so much that can be done with a 'no-fly zone'. Sooner or later, Kaddhafi will figure a way to continue the killing without violating it.
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Re: Libya

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:53 am

Shapley wrote:I think ground troops are ineveitable, whether ours or NATO's or somebody else's. There is only so much that can be done with a 'no-fly zone'. Sooner or later, Kaddhafi will figure a way to continue the killing without violating it.



Either by proxy (French Legionaires) or actual English/French/Italian troops. I don't think you'll se any Americans other than possibly some SOG guys, maybe a MEU but I just don't see this president taking any "bold" action regardless of justification.
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Re: Libya

Postby Shapley » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:05 am

I don't think it'll be 'bold action' on his part, he'll be led into it by stronger personalities, just as he was with the 'no-fly zone'. Some claim it was Hillary's doing, others say Sarkozy but, regardless, someone backed Mr. Obama into a corner and left him with no choice but to fight. I think the same will happen with ground troops. They'll be part of a 'international effort', but We'll probably have some there.
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Re: Libya

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:51 pm

What if the post-Khadaffi leader turns out to be Megrahi?
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Re: Libya

Postby Shapley » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:14 pm

Giant Communist Robot wrote:What if the post-Khadaffi leader turns out to be Megrahi?


At least we'll be able to spell his name.

Besides, he's dead. We were assured months ago that he only had weeks to live, no? Not to mention, that Mr. Obama has decided to get tough on Libya where Megrahi is concerned...
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Re: Libya

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:29 am

I still think that the Legionaires are more than just a minor possibility. I've seen up close and personal how those guys operate on the ground and I'll put them up against almost any modern medium infanry group on earth. As for Gaddifi's troops or the rag tag Rebels there is no comparison. I'm not sure there are enough of them to make the deciding difference but If it looks like the Legionaires by the time I reach London in May I'll put down some serious money ($1-200) that they will take and hold Tripoli while kicking Gaddifi and those rebels to hell and gone.
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Re: Libya

Postby Haggis@wk » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:01 am

Will NATO survive Libya?

I think the article is a little overwrought but the underlying idea appeals to me, greatly.

I think our involvement in NATO is slightly less necessary than our involvement in the UN. I would love to see us out of the UN and like to see us out of NATO.

More realistically I can see us quitting NATO before leaving the UN. Personally, I believe our membership in NATO has run its course. The Europeans have depended on us for their protection for the past 60 plus years and I’m tired of the investment it has/is costing us.

BTW, has anyone seen any reports of current U.S. military actions in Libya? Me neither. Can anyone doubt that the MSM is completely subservient to the Obama’s propaganda machine?? Anyone?
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Re: Libya

Postby Shapley » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:07 pm

It is being reported, but it's not getting the headlines any more. Kind of like the way Japan dropped off the radar screen for a while when we first started military action in Libya.

Airstrikes by U.S. in Libya continue despite announced shift to support role
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Re: Libya

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:56 am

Have the U.S. and NATO given up on Libya mess?

According to my "official sources in Italy" (guys I worked with a million years ago) we are loading bombs on airplanes, taking off and returning without the bombs. So we are either killing fish in the Med or finding other targets.
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Re: Libya

Postby Shapley » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:31 am

Haggis@wk wrote:According to my "official sources in Italy" (guys I worked with a million years ago) we are loading bombs on airplanes, taking off and returning without the bombs. So we are either killing fish in the Med or finding other targets.


Maybe we're selling them on the black market?
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Re: Libya

Postby piqaboo » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:44 am

Strip mining for oil....
when they clear the topsoil, are they loading dambusters to drill deep?
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Re: Libya

Postby Shapley » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:49 am

France, Italy Send Officers To Libya To Advise Rebels

I take it this is an admission that the 'No Fly Zone' alone is inadequate.
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Re: Libya

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:14 am

Why Is (Pacifist) Spain Selling Cluster Bombs to Libya?

I assume it is the same reason that other bastion of peace and love, Sweden, does, money

“While Spain’s Socialist government publicly preaches the virtues of post-modern pacifism, in private it is busy selling weapons to some of the most odious and repressive regimes in the world.”
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Re: Libya

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu May 12, 2011 2:48 pm

Gaddafi still hanging around. I wonder if he has a "Plan B".
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Re: Libya

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri May 13, 2011 2:06 pm

Giant Communist Robot wrote:Gaddafi still hanging around. I wonder if he has a "Plan B".


Heck, I'm beginning to suspect that we don't even have a Plan A!
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Re: Libya

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Sat May 14, 2011 1:41 pm

It certainly looks like the rebels are incapable of winning on their own. Will Europe help them? I doubt we will.
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Re: Libya

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Wed May 18, 2011 7:38 pm

Gadhaffi's wife and daughter are reported vacationing in Tunisia.
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Re: Libya

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu May 19, 2011 1:30 pm

War Powers Act time frame ends tomorrow. Unless we accidently kill Khadaphy we're out of there.
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Re: Libya

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri May 20, 2011 2:41 pm

Giant Communist Robot wrote:War Powers Act time frame ends tomorrow. Unless we accidently kill Khadaphy we're out of there.


It expired, but I don't see any changes. Personally, I've always thought the "War Powers Act" is illegal but it was pass by a Democratically controlled Congress so you'd think someone might care!?!
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