America's addiction to foreign oil

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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:06 am

Giant Communist Robot wrote:Don't whine about the price of gas if you refuse responsible drilling



Don't assume the government has a monopoly on what constitutes "responsible" The current administration has demonstrated more than once that intimidation and thuggery are acceptable tools to accomplished their aims.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:50 pm

Don't assume the government has a monopoly on what constitutes "responsible"


I was thinking many might feel drilling is too risky. In the end, even if you do the best job you can, accidents can happen. When they do, someone needs to accept responsibility. In a perfect world this wouldn't matter, here on Earth life goes on.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Shapley » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:00 pm

From the article:

"The EPA’s appeals board ruled that Shell had not taken into consideration emissions from an ice-breaking vessel when calculating overall greenhouse gas emissions from the project. Environmental groups were thrilled by the ruling."
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:11 pm

"The EPA’s appeals board ruled that Shell had not taken into consideration emissions from an ice-breaking vessel when calculating overall greenhouse gas emissions from the project.


This is clearly a legal technicality. Environmentalists might feel those emissions were left out intentionally, but the article does not say they would have been excessive.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:16 pm

Environmental groups were thrilled by the ruling


This fervor sounds similar to religion.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby dai bread » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:52 pm

It is.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Haggis@wk » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:18 pm

President Obama said yesterday that he has "urged world oil producers to lift crude output."

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They need to increase supplies," Obama told CBS affiliate WTKR in Hampton Roads, Virginia. "We are in a lot of conversations with major oil producers like Saudi Arabia."


So Obama understands that increased production of crude oil will bring down the price of gasoline. But does he not understand that the United States is the third-leading crude oil producer in the world? Not only that, we could be the number one producer of oil and gas, if only our government would stop blocking exploration and development of our petroleum resources.

Opening up our production capability would solve our current economics woes almost overnight. We've already seen the price of gas will plummet based just upon a pronouncement that we are going to open up. Within a year or so we will have hundreds of thousands of new jobs and reducing our dependence on overseas oil will move many of the current world’s dispute into a category of “who cares?” That, alone, is worth the expansion of our petroleum resources. International disputes become minor disputes if we didn't care about them.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Shapley » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:39 pm

Saudi Arabia was cutting back production - not to raise prices but because the demand for their particular brand of sour crude was waning. Light, Sweet Crude is in demand now.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/a ... rent_id=28
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:39 am

Oil Imports Spike As Obama Ban Decreases Domestic Production.

Time and again his policies have caused unnecessary pain for the American people. Why? Does he actually hate us?
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:27 pm

Haggis@wk wrote:Oil Imports Spike As Obama Ban Decreases Domestic Production.

Time and again his policies have caused unnecessary pain for the American people. Why? Does he actually hate us?

Yes, I actually think he does. He thinks WE is part of THEM, and I don't know what UShe thinks HE is part of. I suspect some intellectual abstraction is that THEY.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:28 pm

Time and again his policies have caused unnecessary pain for the American people. Why? Does he actually hate us?


Of course not. A big block of people are fearful of environmental harm. It's about votes. Don't forget, fear is not rational. This could backfire on him if they economy weakens.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:33 pm

Wait a minute...Obama bans permits to drill here, yet urges other countries to up their production?
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:40 pm

Light, Sweet Crude is in demand now.


Many European refineries are set up for Libyan Honey. At the start of the uprising in Libya, the Saudi's said they would increase production to cover any shortfall but their crude is less in demand. If it wasn't for Khadaffi the Hunt's would still be in Libya.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu May 05, 2011 9:36 am

The GOP Congress will bring the following bills to the floor in May, one as early as today. This is the first shot in a battle that’s been a long time coming. We’ve watched for at least the last year while the President and his enablers have essentially shut down various elements of domestic energy production, first through a moratorium and then through a permitorium.

    H.R. 1229 Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act. To amend the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act to facilitate the safe and timely production of American energy resources from the Gulf of Mexico.

    H.R. 1230 Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act. To require the Secretary of the Interior to conduct certain offshore oil and gas lease sales, and for other purposes.

    H.R. 1231 Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act. To amend the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act to require that each 5-year offshore oil and gas leasing program offer leasing in the areas with the most prospective oil and gas resources, to establish a domestic oil and natural gas production goal, and for other purposes.

I suspect that many (most?) democrats will vote for them or vote “present.” Gas nudging up to $5.00 and beyond seems to be the point when most Democrats will become “domestic energy advocates.” They certainly were in 2008 and I suspect they will this year.

That leaves a few senators and the president in opposition to Congress and the majority of the American public.

Once again, I’ll remind you that it was Bush’s decision to open domestic drilling that got the price of gas below $3.00. Absent a similar, and unlikely, pronouncement from Obama I don’t think the price of fuel is going to get much cheaper any time soon.

It IS possible the world’s energy producers will believe the congress is serious and adjust prices accordingly but I’m not holding my breath.

Call you Congress critters and urge them to support these new bills.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu May 05, 2011 4:05 pm

It IS possible the world’s energy producers will believe the congress is serious and adjust prices accordingly



OPEC tries to set prices, but it doesn't always work that well. Usually it's the market.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri May 06, 2011 6:49 am

A three-inch lizard that thrives in desert conditions could shut down oil and gas operations in portions of Southeast New Mexico and in West Texas, including the state's top two oil producing counties.

Here’s the real threat to the damn lizard. "Beep Beep" this!

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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Fri May 06, 2011 11:40 am

It's all about priorities.
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby piqaboo » Fri May 06, 2011 3:03 pm

Haggis@wk wrote:A three-inch lizard that thrives in desert conditions could shut down oil and gas operations in portions of Southeast New Mexico and in West Texas, including the state's top two oil producing counties.

Here’s the real threat to the damn lizard. "Beep Beep" this!

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I take it you think size matters?
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Re: America's addiction to foreign oil

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Sat May 07, 2011 1:30 am

I've been seeing more than a few commercials on TV for the natural gas industry. Oil companies should do this too. Point out we have oil and, well, maybe drilling would bring the price down. I think the timing is right for this type of campaign. I just filled up my tank at $4.59 a gallon.
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