July 4

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July 4

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:37 am

The only legitimate government must be self-government. For if none of us is naturally subordinate or superior to anyone else, no one has the right to rule us without first obtaining our approval.

"Political power", Locke had written, stems “only from compact and agreement, and the mutual consent of those who make up the community.’’

The Declaration of Independence emphasized the point. Not only are all persons endowed by nature with the unalienable rights of equality and freedom, it avowed, but “to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.’’

No lawful government without consent and self-rule: It was an extraordinary doctrine in a time of despots and lawful (nay, God APPROVED) monarchs.

July 4 marks more than American independence. It commemorates the great political ideals, rooted in faith and philosophy, that vindicated that independence – and that thereby transformed the world.
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” Alexis De Tocqueville 1835
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Re: July 4

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:31 pm

Fireworks have been banned in Hawaii (with some exceptions) and it was the most peaceful night. So nice. There were public displays.
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Re: July 4

Postby BigJon » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:15 pm

Boo Hawaii! The no-fun police have taken over . . .
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Re: July 4

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:31 pm

BigJon wrote:Boo Hawaii! The no-fun police have taken over . . .



I don't know what this is really about. Fireworks on New Year's, July 4, and CNY have always been a big deal. Fires on the 4th dropped from about 30 last year to 4.
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