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Re: Repeal and Replace Obamacare?

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:03 pm

jamiebk wrote: [ If there is smoke, they lose my business.



I'm gonna go out on a limb here and sggest you don't go to many bars????
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Re: Repeal and Replace Obamacare?

Postby Haggis@wk » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:06 pm

While the US government expands its power over American health care, the British are looking for ways to rescue themselves from their own government-run system. Prime Minister David Cameron and the Conservatives want to begin outsourcing work to private practitioners outside the NHS, a reversal of over six decades of public policy:

Filmmaker Michael Moore glorified the United Kingdom’s National Health Service in his 2007 documentary ”Sicko,” making a cult film argument that socialized medicine works. But Prime Minister David Cameron, the Tory MP who heads a coalition government in England, is apparently not a Moore fan: He is working to partially privatize the NHS, beginning a massive outsourcing of medical services to private health care providers throughout the U.K.

Britain’s media, in particular the Washington Post–Huffington Post hybrid The Guardian, is publishing near-panic-attacks alerts daily about the conservative plan, which comes as the British government scales back on entitlement spending, hoping to avoid a Greek-style financial meltdown. …

Joseph A. Morris, a former Reagan White House lawyer who now serves on the board of the American Conservative Union, told TheDC that socialized medicine has turned out to be a threat to Britons’ health, and to their economy as well.

“Europe’s message to the world is no longer that the socialist dream of the cradle-to-grave welfare state is an easy achievement,” Morris said. “Rather, it is the shouted warning that it is a fool’s paradise. The bills are coming due and the only real alternatives — serious financial reform of government or national bankruptcy — are not pleasant.”

Morris added that the British government, “unlike the Obama administration, is hearing the warnings, identifying its greatest vulnerabilities, and trying to race ahead of the deluge.”


Of course, I’m sure you already know all about Cameron’s plans. The American media has been all over this story. Oh, wait, they haven’t:

Major U.S. media are also ignoring the story. As Cameron’s own health reform bill gathers momentum and heads for a vote in Parliament, online searches show no coverage at all of Britain’s move in The Washington Post or The New York Times.


The British media have been all over this story, however, and not just The Guardian, whose editorial position is not surprisingly very hostile to the notion. More surprisingly, the Times of London suggested that Health Secretary Andrew Lansley should be “taken out and shot” for pushing the bill through Parliament. And the Times of London knows if that happens, the NHS would be available to treat Lansley’s gunshot wound in as little as six weeks, so no worries.

Even as classic nanny states are giving up on the government-run model Obama pushes ever harder to take the US in that failed direction.
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Re: Repeal and Replace Obamacare?

Postby jamiebk » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:26 pm

Haggis@wk wrote:
jamiebk wrote: [ If there is smoke, they lose my business.



I'm gonna go out on a limb here and sggest you don't go to many bars????


I don't go to any smoky bars.
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Re: Repeal and Replace Obamacare?

Postby dai bread » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:11 pm

The British NHS has never been any sort of model for a successful state health system. In the early days, there were reports of Continentals flooding in to get free dental and optical treatment. I haven't heard of much Improvement since,though I believe residency requirements have been tightened.

There are other models, available in every first world country except the U.S. Even there, the state pays for a lot more than many would have us believe.
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Re: Repeal and Replace Obamacare?

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:42 pm

I must admit that until I heard this argument from the Institute for Justice, I never considered the implications of ObamaCare requiring individuals to sign contracts for insurance coverage. In any other context, signing a contract under threat of force constitutes duress, which negates the contract under centuries-old legal standards. What happens when government applies the threat of force, through fines and presumably an eventual jail sentence for non-compliance?

Here’s an even more interesting question. If coercion negates these contracts, as it should, then the insurance company won’t be under any obligation to pay for your health care, either. After all, ObamaCare forces them to accept all applicants now, regardless of pre-existing conditions, so they too are under duress. Americans might be buying a lot of vaporware in 2014 if a later court decides to stay on the side of centuries of precedent.
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