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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby jamiebk » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:53 pm

Shapley wrote:
jamiebk wrote:Backlash against the ridiculous 2010 ruling by SCOTUS upholding the rights of corporations to make political expenditures under the First Amendment.


Since we impose corporate taxes and our nation was founded, in part, on the concept of 'No Taxation Without Representation', it is only reasonable that corporations should be able to involve themselves in the political process.

The concept of 'shut up and send the money' was a big part of King George's problem...


Right Shap.... :roll: They are deemed a "person" when it comes to campaign donations, but let a corporation break the law and see how the cockroaches hide behind their corporate veil. No one ever goes to jail...no corporation ever suffers punishment of an individual person. Sorry but that's a little too hipocritical for me.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Shapley » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:04 am

The states create the rules under which corporations exist and operate. All the courts have done is upheld the 'no taxation without representation' rule.

Methinks Bernie Madoff, former chairman of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, might argue with your claim about jail time. But, technically, we do not jail corporations for the actions of individuals within their ranks, since that is what corporations are: free associations of individuals. We do not jail Churches or Civic organizations or political parties, either, though individual members of any of those groups, including corporations, are not imune to jail time for legal violations.

Corporations do provide legal protections to their members. That's why people incorporate. Apparently, the governments of the states want them to incorporate, for whatever reason, since they continue to offer those protections to them. I assume the states have weighed the cost/benefit ratio of abolishing corporations or changing their immunities vs. retaining them, and have decided that the benefits of having corporations outweigh the alternatives.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:04 am

jamiebk wrote:
Shapley wrote: No one ever goes to jail...


I'm sure Enron's president and COO would beg to differ
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby jamiebk » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:01 am

Selective application of rights and privileges.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:35 pm

I'm sure Enron's president and COO would beg to differ


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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Shapley » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:43 pm

People incorporate for the benefits incorporation bestows. States encourage incorporation for the benefits and advantages having businesses incorporated affords the state.

Any state is free to change the rules regarding such benefits, and some have. As a result, businesses sometimes relocate to those states that afford their corporations the benefits which best suit their needs. Trucking companies seem to like Arkansas; Banking companies seem to like New York and North Carolina. And so it goes.

The federal government, similarly, has the authority under the commerce clause to impose limitations on those privileges and immunities, though they have to do so with an eye to states' rights.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:14 pm

businesses sometimes relocate to those states that afford their corporations the benefits which best suit their needs.


Wyoming appears to be the least regulated and most secretive. And no taxes, either.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Shapley » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:23 am

Giant Communist Robot wrote:Wyoming appears to be the least regulated and most secretive. And no taxes, either.


That could be, but I haven't seen a major movement of businesses to Wyoming. Perhaps the remoteness, and the harsh winters, keeps them away?

In some regards, I think, incorporation is like the 'flags of convenience' under which ships often register. Many ships operating under the flags of Panama and Liberia never go to either Panama or Liberia. I suspect that some companies incorporated in one state or another maintain only a token presence in the State, with the bulk of their operations where there are other advanatages to them. I'm sure the laws on incorporations are more stringent than the laws concerning 'flags of convenience', but figuring that is why they have all those lawyers and lobbyists...
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby jamiebk » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:10 am

Shapley wrote:
Giant Communist Robot wrote:Wyoming appears to be the least regulated and most secretive. And no taxes, either.


That could be, but I haven't seen a major movement of businesses to Wyoming. Perhaps the remoteness, and the harsh winters, keeps them away?


Actually Shap, that's not ture. Wyoming, economically is booming. They have surpluses in their budgets and are on a massive educational and medical building program. I have at least one client who has opened a new office there to pick up on some of that work.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Shapley » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:09 pm

I guess I worded that badly. What I meant to say is that I have not seen a major movement of corporations to reincorporate in Wyoming. Perhaps I've missed it, as I haven't been there in decades, and have seen no major shift in the corporations with which I deal to new headquarters there.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:49 pm

When regulations differ in states, picking one over another will be a compromise. Wyoming's salient features are that it does not have a personal income tax, no corporate income tax, no inventory tax, does not collect and share information with the IRS, does not have a list of shareholders, and owners may use nominees to cloak ownership. Anyone in the world can set up a business there and no one will be able to determine who the owner is. This view of privacy may appeal to "wild west" types who philosophically object to Federal regulation; or maybe extremists or those involved is some kind of illegal activity. Who knows? Personally I feel they think it's none of the Federal government's business.
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Trumpetmaster » Mon May 21, 2012 11:00 am

http://schoolsofthought.blogs.cnn.com/2 ... hpt=hp_bn1


"A 4 used to be the score that demonstrated that a student was performing at grade level, but in an emergency meeting last week, the state Board of Education decided to revise that benchmark to a 3."

I have an opinion on this but will be unable to post it as it would be censored....
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu May 31, 2012 11:02 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47628473/ns ... ork_times/


"The sale of any cup or bottle of sweetened drink larger than 16 fluid ounces — about the size of a medium coffee, and smaller than a common soda bottle — would be prohibited under the first-in-the-nation plan, which could take effect as soon as next March."

"At fast-food chains, where sodas are often dispersed at self-serve fountains, restaurants would be required to hand out cup sizes of 16 ounces or less, regardless of whether a customer opts for a diet drink. But free refills — and additional drink purchases — would be allowed. "


I guess they think the people will burn calories to offset going up to refill their cup or purchase another drink.... :P
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby jamiebk » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:01 am

What a hair-ball idea...I would have expected this in CA but NY...? Unenforceable and unnecessary and uneffective :roll:
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Haggis@wk » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:33 pm

jamiebk wrote:unnecessary and uneffective :roll:


A fitting motto for the legions of Nannies that pester us, wouldn't you agree?
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:15 pm

Today, the Obama Administration told Americans “not to read too much into” monthly jobs reports.

As it turns out, they’ve been encouraging Americans to do that for years. But after 41 straight months of unemployment over 8%, you don’t have to read between the lines to see the truth. President Obama’s policies have failed to get America working again.

June 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is informative to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/07/ ... ation-june)

May 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/06/ ... uation-may)

April 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/05/ ... tion-april)

March 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/04/ ... tion-march)

February 2012: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report; nevertheless, the trend in job market indicators over recent months is an encouraging sign.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/ ... n-february)

January 2012: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report; nevertheless, the trend in job market indicators over recent months is an encouraging sign.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/02/ ... on-january)

December 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/01/ ... n-december)

November 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/ ... n-november)

October 2011: “The monthly employment and unemployment numbers are volatile and employment estimates are subject to substantial revision. There is no better example than August’s jobs figure, which was initially reported at zero and in the latest revision increased to 104,000. This illustrates why the Administration always stresses it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/11/ ... on-october)

September 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/10/ ... -september)

August 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/ ... ion-august)

July 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/08/ ... ation-july)

June 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/07/ ... ation-june)

May 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/06/ ... uation-may)

April 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/05/ ... tion-april)

March 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/ ... tion-march)

February 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/ ... n-february)

January 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/02/ ... on-january)

December 2010: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/01/ ... n-december)

November 2010: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/12/ ... n-november)

October 2010: “Given the volatility in monthly employment and unemployment data, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/11/ ... on-october)

September 2010: “Given the volatility in the monthly employment and unemployment data, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/ ... -september)

July 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative. It is essential that we continue our efforts to move in the right direction and replace job losses with robust job gains.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/ ... ation-july)

August 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/09/ ... ion-august)

June 2010: “As always, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/07/ ... ation-june)

May 2010: “As always, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/06/ ... uation-may)

April 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/05/ ... tion-april)

March 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/04/ ... tion-march)

January 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/02/ ... on-january)

November 2009: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.” (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/12/ ... n-november)
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Haggis@wk » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:23 am

The mind boggles:

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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Trumpetmaster » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:07 pm

Gives a whole new meaning to "keeping your pants on" :mrgreen:

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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Shapley » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:45 pm

That's an expensive moon...
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Re: And Now For the News...

Postby Trumpetmaster » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:04 am

I have to get this off my chest............

It is TRAGIC what is going on in the world.
Killings, protests against our country due to a tasteless film.

The extremists burning our flag.
The pastor who burned the Quran.
These people deserve each other and should all rot in hell.

Iran ready to go nuclear and potentially eliminate Israel....

The world is going MAD.

WHY CAN"T WE STUPID HUMANS JUST GET ALONG???
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