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Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Rob Richardson » Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:24 pm

Greetings!

I'm listening to "I Dreamt I Dwelt in Marble Halls", as sung by Joan Sutherland. I was startled to see from the title that the song is in English. I can't understand a word! Why wasn't it sung so that it can be understood? Also, why didn't she bother hitting the notes when she started singing the notes? She is under the (imho) mistaken impression that it helps to slide up to them. That drives me up a wall! Dammit, Joan, you know what pitch to sing! Sing it!

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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Nicole Marie » Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:35 pm

Hi Rob-

Never does a singer make a mistake at hitting a note. She is doing what the composer wrote. Bafle wrote the piece that way. Take a look at a vocal composition, look at the sheet music and follow the piece and you will see she is doing what the composer wrote. And the English to me comes through very clear.

In vocal performance the beauty comes from not hitting the note on the first syllable of the word. It's singing not talking. The beauty comes from the embellishment of the words, the notes, the pitches, the talent, the slides, the crescendos etc.

Just as a violinist trills on a note, slides to the next, hits a note and crescendos through it - a singer does the same with their voice. It's expression and an art form.

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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby bignaf » Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:00 pm

Hi Rob. don't mess with Sutherland She knows more about music then you'll ever know (no disrespect intended, but she's that good). She's one of the most musical of all singers (admittedly that is not saying much) :) and if you criticize Her technical ability on the level of singing the right notes you'll probably end up looking bad. She has the most presice attack of almost any singer when that is the intended expression in Her opinion. you have a good point with Her prununciation She's one of the worst in that respect.

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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:02 pm

Hi Rob,

I didn't hear the piece and am not familiar with it, but can assure as well as H.R.H. & Big, that if Joan did it, it was done right. If there was any scooping or swooping (aka bel canto style) done it was because that was how it was intended to be done.

As for her diction, the higher the voice range, the harder it is to articulate consonants. To me that is one of the most difficult tasks a soprano faces (yes, even over shrieking and wobbling :p , Selma!). Every time I've given Joan a serious listen on a decent sound system (does your computer fit that description?), I've found her articulation of consonants to be as good as any, at least (and I have tinnitis).

Originally posted by bignaf:
She's one of the most musical of all singers (admittedly that is not saying much)
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby bignaf » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:03 pm

let's have a duel, I still owe you a death. :)
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby dai bread » Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:31 pm

Pierette Alarie in "The Pearl Fishers" is proof that a soprano can sing pretty clearly. My French isn't good enough to get every word she sings, but I can get most of them, and that's good going.
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby barfle » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:31 am

As I recall, "when I was your age" (yes, even Bones's age), the big gripe about kids' music was that you couldn't understand the words. Which was often true, even for the kids.

So, just to set the record straight:

A fine little girl, she waits for me
I catch the ship for cross the sea
I sail the ship all alone
Me never think I make it home

(Chorus)
Louie, Louie, oh, no, I said we gotta go.
Ya ya ya ya ya ya
Said-a Louie, Louie, oh, baby, said we gotta go.

Three nights and days I sail the sea
I think of girl constantly
On the ship I dream she there
I smell the rose in her hair

(Chorus)

See Jamaica moon above
It won't be long I see my love
Take her in my arms and then
Tell her I never leave again

(Chorus)
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Bones » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:55 am

Oh yeah.... let's see you do all the words to Sukiyaki.
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby barfle » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:31 pm

Originally posted by Bones:
Oh yeah.... let's see you do all the words to Sukiyaki.
I'll leave that to Annette. I'm not sure how to type the Kanji characters.
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Bones » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:59 pm

Then you can do Dominique!
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby barfle » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:38 pm

Originally posted by Bones:
Then you can do Dominique!
Dominique, nique, nique s'en allait tout simplement
Routier pauvre et chantant
En tous chemins, en tous lieux, il ne parle que du bon Dieu

Il ne parle que du bon Dieu
A l'e poque ou Jean-sans-Terre de' Angleterre etait Roi
Dominique, notre Pere, combattit les Albigeois
Repeat first 4 lines: Chorus

Ni chameau, ni diligence il parcout l'Europe a pied
Scandinavie ou Provence dans la sainte pauvrete
Refrain

Enflamma de toute ecole filles et garcons pleins d'ardeur
Et pour semer la Parole inventa les Freres-Precheurs
Refrain

Chez Dominique et ses freres le pain s'en vint a manquer
Et deux anges se presenterent portant de grands pains dores
Refrain

Dominique vit en reve les precheurs du monde entier
Sous le manteau de la Vierge en grand nombre rassembles
Refrain

Dominique, mon bon Pere, garde-nous simples et gais
Pour annoncer a nos freres la Vie et la Verite
Refrain
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Valerie » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:40 pm

i am officially freaked out... :eek:
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Bones » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:41 pm

Oh...and you say that I irk you?
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Valerie » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:45 pm

bones

i trust you are referring to barfle, about the "irking" part - you don't irk me!!

however, there are others who do...which shall remain nameless... ;)
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Bones » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:48 pm

Yeah, it's Barfle who gets irked when I solve a simple puzzle and then he goes and prints the whole French Constitution.
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Marye » Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:08 pm

now I can't get that nun's tune out of my head..... ;)
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby shostakovich » Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:29 pm

Thanks, Barfle. I have the Singing Nun's album, and had no idea what she was singing. Of course, I still don't know what it all means, but I printed it out and will put it with the album. Shos
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:07 pm

Wow, and I'm voted the top hijacking spot?!! :D ;)
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby barfle » Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:34 am

No, Bones, you don't solve a simple puzzle, you solve ALL the simple puzzles about ten minutes after they are posted!

This isn't my translation of the lyrics. I know about as much French as I know orchestral composition. I have to give that disclaimer because most translations don't fit the meter of the music like this one does.

Dominique, nique, nique, over the land he plods
And sings a little song
Never asking for reward
He just talks about the Lord
He just talks about the Lord

At a time when Johnny Lackland
Over England was the King
Dominique was in the backland
Fighting sin like anything

Now a heretic, one day
Among the thorns forced him to crawl
Dominique with just one prayer
Made him hear the good Lord's call

Without horse or fancy wagon
He crossed Europe up and down
Poverty was his companion
As he walked from town to town

To bring back the straying liars
And the lost sheep to the fold
He brought forth the Preaching Friars
Heaven's soldier's, brave and bold

One day, in the budding Order
There was nothing left to eat
Suddenly two angels walked in
With a loaf of bread and meat

Dominique once, in his slumber
Saw the Virgin's coat unfurled
Over Frairs without number
Preaching all around the world

Grant us now, oh Dominique
The grace of love and simple mirth
That we all may help to quicken
Godly life and truth on earth
And I cheat.
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Re: Is it possible for soloists to sing so they can be under

Postby Bones » Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:05 am

That's pretty good. Where's the translation to Sukiyaki?
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