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THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby HERNAN » Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:07 pm

I AM AN ISRAELI INTERESTED IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
I HAD SEE THAT THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER BECOME THE USA ANTHEM IN 1931.
WHAT WAS THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM BEFORE 1931 ?
SOME PEOPLE SAID THAT THE USA DO NOT HAVE A NATIONAL ANTHEM BEFORE SOME SAY THAT THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM WAS MY COUNTRY TIS OF THEE.
CAN ANYONE HELP ME ?
MANY THANKS FROM TEL-AVIV ISRAEL.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby bignaf » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:28 pm

I think the USA did not have an official national anthem before 1931. the Star Spangled Banner had been the de facto national anthem. my country of thee I sing has never been a national anthem as far as I know. it is sung to the melody of God save the queen....
Derech agav, ata lo tzarich leheeshtamesh im ha"caps lock" be'ofen kavua. :D
Caps lock is only compulsory for the first post, as I say... :D
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby HERNAN » Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:11 am

The Star Spangled Banner was written in 1812 by Francis Scott Key after The War against Great Britain.
What was the national anthem betbeen the 4 of july 1776 to the year 1812 ?
What song the citizens of the USA did sing in Nationals holidays.
If the Star Spangled Banner was popular why in 1916 the President Woodrow Wilson ordered played at military and naval only. and wasn't officially adopted by Congress as the national anthem until 1931.If the Usa did not have a national anthem before 1931 ?
Toda Raba(Thank You) about the Caps Lock.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby Valerie » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:47 am

Hernan - welcome to the board!

you are correct about everything - we american's did not have a national anthem until 1931 - we had nothing

personally, i cannot imagine not having a national anthem!

what is the israeli national anthem?

you take care over there - be safe

keep us informed of what's going on over in israel
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby Shapley » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:17 am

Hernan,

Welcome the to board!

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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby HERNAN » Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:57 pm

Many Thanks for the information to the Members of the Group.
The Name of The Israel's National Anthem is The Hatikva(The Hope) It was written by Naftali Herz Imber (1856-1909), who moved to Palestine in 1882 from Galicia(in Poland). The melody was arranged by Samuel Cohen, an immigrant from Moldavia.
The anthem was written before that Israel became a State by The People's Counsel it became the National anthem .
The Chairman of The People Counsel was David Ben-Gurion the first Prime Minister of Israel.
Some People said that the melody of the Hatikva is similar to Smetana's "Moldau".
Hatikva is about “hope,” the undying hope of the Jewish people, through the long years of exile, that they would someday return to independence in their homeland.
We only sing one paragraprh of The Hatikva.
Another Isuue :
If The USA did not have a National Anthem before 1931.
What Song did the People Sing in the Independence Day before 1931.
I hope that all people will have a nice day .
Bye Bye and Shalom from Tel-Aviv Israel.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby bignaf » Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:43 pm

they probably sang the star spangled banner even before 1931, it just wasn't oficially recognized. I can't complain about you saying "the HaTikva" [the the hope] ;) since I did the same yesterday with the Les Six [the the six]) lol.
HaTikva does sound a lot like the 2nd theme from the Moldau.

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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby shostakovich » Tue Oct 14, 2003 10:31 pm

Hi Hernan. There certainly is a similarity between the melody of Hatikvah and the river theme from the Moldau, so much so that many people assume the tune was borrowed from Smetana. Do you know when Samuel Cohen came up with the melody?
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby BigJon » Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:01 pm

Or as Dennis the Menace once called it, The Star Strangled Bammer. :D

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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby HERNAN » Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:32 pm

Samuel Cohen came up with the melody in 1882 in the City of Rishon Le-Zion( in Israel).
Bedrich Smetana composed My Fatherland between 1869-1872 and first performed in 1881.
Others think that The HaTikva has the same melody of the Romanian Folk Song The Cart and The Bulls.

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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby bignaf » Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:03 pm

Smetana and Cohen probably borrowed from the same source.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby shostakovich » Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:39 pm

Thanks for the interesting input, Hernan.
Are there any hopeful signs in the view from Tel-Aviv regarding the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Or would you prefer to avoid the subject in print?
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby HERNAN » Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:59 pm

There is always hope to have Peace in Israel.
the problem is when will be peace.
Books were written about the issue so I can not write a salution in this little note but I can say that the Peace will be when the terrors attacks will be ended and israel will take some importants decisions.
Another issue :
Is Edwin Eugene Bagley famous in the usa like John Phillip Sousa ?
Anyone did hear the march The Pride of the White House by Karl Lenox ?
Many Thanks and have a nice day there in the usa .
see you
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby shostakovich » Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:56 pm

The name Bagley prompts only one title in my mind: The National Emblem March. Never heard of Karl Lenox. Where and when did you hear his march? Beethoven.com?
Sousa is far and away the most famous American (at least) writer of marches. The gap between him and whoever may be next is so great that it would be fair to say that person would be in 5th place, with 2nd, 3rd, 4th places left blank.

Personally, I can't stand Stars and Stripes Forever. I do like a few of Sousa's marches, but I don't share a claim I've heard from a friend that "Sousa is America's greatest composer".
Shos

By the way, Sousa did write more than marches, but few have noticed.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby bignaf » Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:58 pm

did you hear Horowitz's version of Stars and Stripes?!?!!!!
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby HERNAN » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:18 pm

I like more The National Emblem March by Bagley Than The Stars and Stripes Forever.
I know that Sousa write The Waltz in Potomac but never heard The Waltz.
The Pride of The White House by Lenox I heard from This Website: http://www.parlorsongs.com/issues/2002-7/thismonth/featureb.asp
I did Search The Iclassics Website and did not found nothing.
Maybe Nicole Marie Know?
I never heard The Horowitz's version of Stars and Stripes Forever. It is by Piano?
I hope that everyone will have a nice Weekend .
See you from Israel.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby bignaf » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:20 pm

yep, piano of course.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby shostakovich » Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:18 pm

Hi Big. I have not heard the Horowitz transcription, and have no interest in hearing an artist try to spice up what sounds like trash to me. I'm obviously in the minority with S&SF, given its runaway popularity. I think the French had S&SF in mind when they invented the expression "Chacun a son gout" (chuckle :D ,chuckle :D --- hoping I spelled it right).

A peaceful weekend to you, Hernan.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby HERNAN » Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:54 pm

Hello
What is S&SF ?
If We return to Sousa
He wrote books too one of them is Marching Along published in 1928.
Did anyone open the link that i sent about Lenox.
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Re: THE USA NATIONAL ANTHEM

Postby shostakovich » Sat Oct 18, 2003 7:39 pm

Hi Hernan. S&SF was my shorthand for Stars and Stripes Forever. Didn't mean to confuse you. I have not checked the Lenox site. Sorry. Thanks again for your input. Be well.
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