September 11, 2003

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September 11, 2003

Postby OperaTenor » Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:45 am

As we approach this momentous anniversary, my good thoughts and prayers go out to all who are protecting us and keeping us safe.

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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby lliam » Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:08 am

Originally posted by operatenor:
As we approach this momentous anniversary, my good thoughts and prayers go out to all who are protecting us and keeping us safe.
Hear, hear, OT.

Lord, make my life A window for Your light To shine through And a mirror to reflect Your love To all I meet. Amen.
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby Valerie » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:08 pm

agreed - what a nice prayer, Iliam
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby lliam » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:03 pm

Originally posted by Stravinsky:
agreed - what a nice prayer, Iliam
Thank's Strav, buddy, I need to correct you, I'm Lliam not, Iliam, cheers. ;)
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby Valerie » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:50 pm

Lliam - my deepest apologies!

i even used the shift key for you ;)
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby 1st_oboe » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:03 pm

AMEN!

I'm still waiting on paperwork from DC. It looks like I just might be signing my contract with the USMC tomorrow, the 11th. I can't think of a better day to do so. :)

Semper Fi!

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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby lliam » Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:39 pm

A Moment Of Silence.
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We pray today that from the ashes will rise a new spirit of beauty and unity in America.

Already, all across this nation our hearts have been knit together into a new tapestry of one America.

Because of this tragedy, we have been bound together by a silver chord of hope and brotherhood and sisterhood.

What was meant to drive us apart has really drawn us together.
May we always remember?

God Bless America

Amen.
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby lliam » Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:40 pm

[quote]Originally posted by Stravinsky:
[b] Lliam - my deepest apologies!

i even used the shift key for you :D
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby piqaboo » Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:43 pm

Hey 1st_oboe,
Are ya in yet?
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby dkm32 » Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:58 pm

<img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~dkm32/Images/FlagUSWaving.gif" alt=" - " />
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby lliam » Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:02 pm

Originally posted by dkm32:
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The American Flag
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When freedom, from her mountain height
Unfurled her standard to the air,
She tore the azure robe of night
And set the stars of glory there.
She mingled with its gorgeous dyes
The milky baldric of the skies,
Then from his mansion in the sun
She called her eagle-bearer down
And gave into his mighty hand
The symbol of her chosen land.
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby Thalberg » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:25 pm

I saw the coolest bumper sticker today. It read:

"God Bless the Whole World -- No Exceptions!"

The line between patriotism and jingoism is thin. Respect it.

Perhaps some might feel this inappropriate on Sept. 11, but I think it fitting. No amount of imperitenence could be as dangerous as blind nationalism.


CYA edit:
Most pointedly NOT directed at anyone in particular.

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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby Ludovica » Sun Sep 14, 2003 6:35 am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dkm32:
<img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~dkm32/Images/FlagUSWaving.gif" alt=" - " /> [/QUOTE


On this second anniversary, I was very moved reading all the prayers and rememberances of the dreadful events on Sept. 11th. I always think the
souls of all those who lost their lives, still live on.
I heard that a memorial tower will be built in their memory.
May America go from strength to strength.

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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby 1st_oboe » Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:34 am

Bump! It's coming up again.

Unlike last year, I haven't heard anything in the local news about any memorials, candle light vigils, etc. that are going to be happening.

Are we done mourning now, after 3 years? (Or do I need to pay more attention to the 5 o'clock news....?)

Cheers!
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby lliam » Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:08 am

Remembering September 11, 2001 with Prayer and Meditation.
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A prayer and meditation to develop peace in ourselves, lest we forget those events that set us on the accelerated path in our efforts toward 'world peace'
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Prayer of Peace and Love
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"In Peace and Love I walk today
Content to follow in Your ways
Light and life your way does shine
And as I walk You're ever mine."
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Meditation for Peace
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Sitting comfortably, wherever you may be, close your eyes for a few moments or minutes. Begin to calm and centre your thoughts by doing even, regular breathing such as: count 1, 2, breathe in; count 3, 4, breathe out and continue.

After a minute let the conscious counting go but continue to breathe evenly. Now take some time to think about ways to make your own life more peaceful. What is one way to be kinder toward others?

Make an affirmation to be a beacon of caring light that others may want finds their lives lightened by your kindness. Remember - personal peace multiplied equals planetary peace.

Finish the meditation by taking a deep breath - uplifted, relaxed, refreshed.
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:47 pm

Today on Bing (Bing.com), we have:

A photo of the 9-11 Tribute in Light.
A link to information about the Tribute in Light.
A link to construction information about the permanent monument.
A link to information about the history of the World Trade Center.
A link to videos of Philippe Petit’s World Trade Center tightrope walk.

Today on Google, it’s just another day. No Google Doodle to remember the attacks.

No surprise there.

ask.com also has a beautiful tribute. I have finally decided to delete Google once and for all, and start using bing.com and ask.com. Oh, there’s a nice on at Dogpile.com, too.
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:16 pm

I wonder what Osama bin Laden is up to these days?

[edit] It turns out I'm not the only person wondering...

Commentary: Where is Osama bin Laden?

By Peter Bergen
Special to CNN

Editor's note: Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, is a fellow at the New America Foundation, a Washington-based think tank that promotes innovative thought from across the ideological spectrum, and at New York University's Center on Law and Security. He's the author of "The Osama bin Laden I Know: An Oral History of al Qaeda's Leader."


Peter Bergen says Osama bin Laden is still alive and still significant eight years after September 11.

HELMAND, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Eight years after September 11, the "war on terror" has gone the way of the dodo. And President Obama talks instead about a war against al Qaeda and its allies.

What, then, of al Qaeda's enigmatic leader, Osama bin Laden, who has vanished like a wisp of smoke? And does he even matter now?

The U.S. government hadn't had a solid lead on al Qaeda's leader since the battle of Tora Bora in winter 2001. Although there are informed hypotheses that today he is in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province on the Afghan border, perhaps in one of the more northerly areas such as Bajaur, these are essentially guesses, not "actionable" intelligence.

A longtime American counterterrorism analyst explained to me, "There is very limited collection on him personally."

That's intelligence community shorthand for the fact that the usual avenues of "collection" on a target such as bin Laden are yielding little or no information about him. Those avenues typically include signal intercepts of phone calls and e-mails, as well as human intelligence from spies.

Given the hundreds of billions of dollars that the "war on terror" has consumed, the failure to capture or kill al Qaeda's leader is one of its signal failures.

Does it even matter whether bin Laden is found? Yes, it does. First, there is the matter of justice for the almost 3,000 people who died in the September 11 attacks and for the thousands of other victims of al Qaeda's attacks around the world.

Second, every day that bin Laden remains at liberty is a propaganda victory for al Qaeda.

Third, although bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri aren't managing al Qaeda's operations on a daily basis they guide the overall direction of the jihadist movement around the world, even while they are in hiding.


Those messages from al Qaeda's leaders have reached untold millions worldwide via television, the Internet and newspapers. The tapes have not only instructed al Qaeda's followers to continue to kill Westerners and Jews, but some also carried specific instructions that militant cells then acted on.

In March 2008, for instance, the al Qaeda leader denounced the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in a Danish newspaper as a "catastrophe" for which punishment would soon be meted out. Three months later, an al Qaeda suicide attacker bombed the Danish Embassy in Islamabad, killing six.

Some reading this may think: But what's the proof that the al Qaeda leader is still alive? Plenty. Since September 11, bin Laden has released a slew of video and audiotapes, many of which discuss current events. After a nine-month silence, for instance, bin Laden released a 22-minute audiotape on March 14, sharply condemning the recent Israeli invasion of Gaza.

Are these tapes real? Not one of the dozens of tapes released by bin Laden after 9/11 has been a fake. Indeed the U.S. government has authenticated many of them using bin Laden's distinctive voiceprint.

And what about the persistent reports that he is ill? In 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had kidney disease, for which he required a dialysis machine, and was therefore likely dead. But the stories of bin Laden's life-threatening kidney problems are false, judging by his appearance in videos that he released in 2004 and again in 2007, in which he showed no signs of illness.

On the 2007 tape, the al Qaeda leader had even dyed his white-flecked beard black, suggesting that as the Saudi militant entered his fifth decade, he was not immune to a measure of vanity about his personal appearance.

In fact, bin Laden looked much better in those videos than he did in the video he released shortly after the battle of Tora Bora in late 2001, where he had narrowly escaped being killed in a massive American attack.

The situation is further complicated by the fact that bin Laden and al-Zawahiri are almost certainly hiding out in the tribal areas of Pakistan, on the Afghan border.

Arthur Keller, a CIA officer who ran a spy network in Pakistan's tribal areas in 2006, told me the problems of working in the region: "It's an incredibly remote area. They're hiding in a sea of people that are very xenophobic of outsiders, so it's a very, very tough nut to crack."

An additional factor operating in bin Laden's favor is the personal popularity he has long enjoyed in Pakistan. Three years after the September 11 attacks, for instance, a Pew poll found that al Qaeda's leader had a 65 percent favorability rating among Pakistanis.

However, it is clear from the videos of bin Laden and al-Zawahiri that aired in the years since the attacks that they are not living in caves.

In those tapes, both men's clothes were clean and well-pressed. Caves generally don't have laundry facilities. And the videos that they have released are well-lit and well-shot productions, suggesting access either to electrical outlets or to generators to run lights. Al-Zawahiri is often filmed in a library setting, and on one of his videos from March 2006, there are curtains clearly visible behind him, suggesting that the tape was shot in a house.

By early 2008, the Bush administration had tired of the Pakistani government's unwillingness or inability to take out al Qaeda's leaders, and in July, the president authorized Special Operations forces to carry out ground assaults in the tribal regions without the permission of the Pakistani government.

But in the face of the intense Pakistani opposition to American boots on the ground, the Bush administration chose to rely instead on drones to target suspected al Qaeda and Taliban leaders. Bush ordered the CIA to expand its attacks with Predator and Reaper drones.

Between July 2008 and this month, U.S. drones have killed dozens of lower-ranking militants and at least 10 mid- and upper-level leaders within al Qaeda or the Taliban.

This strategy seems to have worked, at least in terms of combating the ability of al Qaeda to plan or carry out attacks in the West. Law-enforcement authorities have uncovered no serious plots against U.S. or European targets that were traceable to militants who had received training in Pakistan's tribal regions after the drone program had been dramatically ramped up there.

The increased pace of the American drone attacks in Pakistani's tribal areas was motivated in part by the hope that it would increase panicked communications among the militants, which might help pinpoint the locations of the top leaders in al Qaeda or the Taliban, but that approach has not paid off when it comes to bin Laden.

If killing bin Laden with a drone has proved difficult, so too will be capturing him alive.

His former bodyguard Abu Jandal told Al Quds al Arabi newspaper, "Sheikh Osama gave me a pistol. ... The pistol had only two bullets, for me to kill Sheikh Osama with in case we were surrounded or he was about to fall into the enemy's hands, so that he would not be caught alive "

Should bin Laden be captured or killed, that would probably trigger a succession battle within al Qaeda.

While al-Zawahiri is the deputy leader of the terror group and therefore technically bin Laden's successor, he is not regarded as a natural leader. Indeed, even among his fellow Egyptian militants, al-Zawahiri is seen as a divisive force, and so he is unlikely to be able to step into the role of leader of al Qaeda and of the world jihadist movement that is occupied by bin Laden.

By the law of averages, eventually, bin Laden will be captured or killed. Yet the ideological movement that he helped spawn -- "Binladenism" -- will live on long after he is gone. That is bin Laden's legacy.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Peter Bergen


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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby GreatCarouser » Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:29 am

This article may be of interest. A strange day emotionally for me. This anniversary has been little noticed by me in past years but for reasons unknown it became important to remember this year. I worked at a High School today. No mention in announcements or in my lesson plans. No half mast flags. It makes me wonder.... of course, many things do that lately. Probably a 'bit of under done potato' or something similar.
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby Haggis@wk » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:04 am

GreatCarouser wrote:This article No half mast flags.


Actually as Patriots Day all flags were supposed to be at half staff, mine was.
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Re: September 11, 2003

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:43 am

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