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Katrina

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:12 am

Where’s the UN pleas for global assistance? Remember the mouthy UN guy who chastised us for not giving more for Tsunami relief? Where the hell is he now?

Last time I checked the French aren’t helping much – odd. The only place in the country where they can read the signs and they don’t bother to pitch in.

Seriously, throw a few bucks to the Red Cross or other charity, if you can.

This isn't a red state, blue state thing, this is Americans that need help and the only help they are going to receive is from other Americans (although I heard the Canadians are helping, good for them, I'll lay off badmouthing Canada for the duration)

Ed. "Technically, Canadians are also Americans"

Yeah, as if they'd ever claim it!!


As in other disasters, we can't look to the world to do anything for us, so let’s do what we have always done, pitch in and fix it.
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Re: Katrina

Postby Nicole Marie » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:18 am

Haggis, this was already addressed in another post. It's under Katrina 2005:

http://www.beethoven.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000105;p=3
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Re: Katrina

Postby Serenity » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:55 am

Are any of the oil rigs and refineries owned by certain politicians? :roll:
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Re: Katrina

Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:44 am

This morning I paid $3.50 per gallon to fill up my car. Total was $46.00. I have a 1995 Toyota Camry. Not one of those Gas Guzzling SUVs.

When I asked the man pumping gas why it went up 50 cents overnight. He said he was bone dry and had to get a new shipment from the distributor and that's the new price.

How in the world can "Refined" gas already at the distributor be impacted by Katrina...

This is BS and I hope the people taking financial advantage of us rot.... You know where....

No I'm not pissed off. I'm furious.

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Re: Katrina

Postby Angie Parkes » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:47 am

As for Canadian help, the CBC website had this story this morning. In addition, CBC radio reported this morning that DART (200 soldiers who provide medical aid and clean drinking water and can be deployed on 48 hours' notice) will be sent to New Orleans (more about DART here).

My guess is that many ordinary Canadians will donate money to a disaster relief agency. Whatever our political differences, we are still neighbours. And no, most Canadians will not admit to being Americans, but we are perfectly happy to be counted as North Americans. :)
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Re: Katrina

Postby Haggis@wk » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:51 am

Sorry Nicole, I should have realized that you were ahead of the curve....
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Re: Katrina

Postby Nicole Marie » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:12 am

No problem Haggis... I'm always lurking. ;)
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Re: Katrina

Postby Shapley » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:33 am

TM,

RE:How in the world can "Refined" gas already at the distributor be impacted by Katrina...

It has to be sold at replacement cost. The seller wants to make enough on this batch that he doesn't have to borrow money to pay for the next batch, with a little profit. That's why he is in business.

If I pay $5,000 for a load of fuel, I don't want to sell it for $6,000, knowing the next load will cost me $8,000.

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Re: Katrina

Postby mmichaelson » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:07 am

2.69/gal here for the regular unleaded. 2.89 for supreme.
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Re: Katrina

Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:44 am

Shapley,
Please help me understand this....

So - I make that much more from what I already bought last week at a lower rate vs. what I will buy and charge for next week?

Confused...
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Re: Katrina

Postby Shapley » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:02 am

TM,

Yes, because you will re-invest the difference in the next load of fuel, unless you want to borrow money each time the price increases.

Otherwise, you won't have anything left to put food on the table after paying for the next load. Most service stations do not have an ample supply of ready cash on hand to absorb those cost increases.

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Re: Katrina

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:26 am

I'm inclined to believe gouging is occurring. The two nearby stations who ALWAYS have the most obscenely highest prices for gas($3.079/$3.179/$3.27.9) haven't changed their prices for at least two weeks. I went by there yesterday, camera in hand, to document the latest obscenity, only to find they haven't raised their prices(still true this morning). Cheated me out of a post, they did!

Now, if they were in fact making an RCH of profit as they claim, given what has happened to oil prices in the past two weeks and to maintain proportion, their prices should have gone to something like $3.75 per gallon of regular unleaded.

GWB is on record as of this morning, officially condemning any form of price gouging. How much you wanna bet no harm comes to the oil companies?
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Re: Katrina

Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:41 am

Originally posted by Shapley:
TM,

Yes, because you will re-invest the difference in the next load of fuel, unless you want to borrow money each time the price increases.

Otherwise, you won't have anything left to put food on the table after paying for the next load. Most service stations do not have an ample supply of ready cash on hand to absorb those cost increases.

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What if the price for next weeks shipment goes down? (not that they will) But - Do I get my money back? I don't think so.

Prices are being raised on speculation and fear.... Still, it does not seem right to me
to charge someone a higher rate to buy next weeks inventory from what I was going to charge them from what I purchased at a lower price and still have in stock.

Not looking to squeeze the gas station owners and I know margins for gas are very low, but this does not seem fair to consumers.

OT - You can come to Long Island with your camera.
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Re: Katrina

Postby Nicole Marie » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:42 am

Hey Haggis- In response to your original post... Scott McClellan (sp) the White House spokesperson, is on the news right now saying the US has received "numerous" offers of help from other countries. He also went on to say they may take up these countries on their offers.
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Re: Katrina

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:45 am

My point is, somewhere between the tanker and my gas tank, the margin isn't narrow, and I believe they're making hay of the current disaster, and nothing will come of it.
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Re: Katrina

Postby zlosin » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:51 am

This says it all
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Re: Katrina

Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:54 am

I agree with you OT, nothing will come of it...
I just think it Sux that oil prices are being "pumped up" immediately after this catastrophe.

During dinner last night, my step daughter and I were joking with my wife about buying more blankets for this winter... My wife's rule is the heat doesn't go on until after the Turkey has been eatin.... We think she might turn off the heat :)
Seriously.
We always keep the thermostat at about 60 in the winter to conserve fuel.... (that's as low as it goes) My oil bill has tripled from what I paid last year and I expect it to go up again.

Here's to hoping it is a warm winter here in the Northeast..
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Re: Katrina

Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:55 am

PSIP,
People drive to NJ often as the taxes on gas is much lower than what we pay in NY. Is that the going rate in MI? If not, where is that....
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Re: Katrina

Postby Shapley » Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:18 pm

TM,

Suppose I decide to sell fuel for a living. I have the pumps, tanks, etc., which were signed over to me by the previous owner, who then ran down the road screaming and hollering. (Well, okay, he was screaming and hollering when he signed the papers over, and he didn't look at all well.)

I borrow $5,000 for a tank of gas (5000 gallons at a $1 a gallon). Okay, so it's a small operation. I intend to sell those 5000 gallons for $1.20 a gallon, from which I will earn a profit of $1000, $500 of which I will pay on the loan, and $500 of which I will put in my pocket.

All is going well, but after I've sold half, I'm told that I will have to pay $1.25 a gallon for the next load. Now I'm in a pickle, I still need to make payment on the original loan, and I still want to eat, so I'd like to have that $500 left over. Instead, I'll have to borrow another $750, after making payment, and go hungry.

My best solution is to raise my price, so that I make enough to pocket my $500, repay $500, and have $6250 available to buy another tankload. At this point, I've got $3000 and 2500 gallons in the tank, so I need to sell the remaining 2500 gallons at $1.70 to get to where I need to be.

Otherwise, I'll be running down the road, like the previous owner.

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Re: Katrina

Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:28 pm

Shapely,
I understand your point. Just think it's a no win situation for both Gas Station owner and the consumer. Not sure how it could be changed to improve the current situation.
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