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Re: New WORD features

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:53 am

Originally posted by Selma in Sandy Eggo:
Look at this, David: Classic Games
That made me think of a game I used to play back in the day called Rogue. I googled it and found there are a few versions of it offered for free. This is the one I bookmarked.

Talk about nostalgia!
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Jane » Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:54 am

Originally posted by Serenity:
Has anyone tried the free OpenOffice.org suite of text, spreadsheet, presentations and database software. It is based on the StarOffice product from Sun Microsystems. OpenOffice is to Microsoft Office what Mozilla Firefox is to Internet Explorer. Sorry....no helpers.
My regular computer recently fell ill, and then got blown up by my brother and father as they tried to fix it. So now I'm stuck on a back up that has only OpenOffice and it drives me insane!! :D Funny thing, I don't care for Mozilla much either...
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Tarzan » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:04 pm

Originally posted by Jane:
Funny thing, I don't care for Mozilla much either...
Tarzan not know before this Jane harbor dislike for Tarzan's mother....
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Re: New WORD features

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:08 pm

Hi Jane,

What don't you like about Mozilla?

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Re: New WORD features

Postby Jane » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:54 pm

You'll laugh.

Actually the problem isn't so much Mozilla itself, as much as it is me who doesn't like to change. I stubborn when it comes to change I'm afraid. (Much to my own downfall.)I like the Internet Explorer program just because that is the one I've used forever. My brothers both love Mozilla and give me horrified looks whenever I open Explorer.

I haven't used Mozilla that much so I'm not familiar with it's features. If I had any sense I'd probably try it out for a while.

What do you like about Mozilla? Maybe you can show me "the light."
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:17 pm

OT's favorite feature about FireFox is that it's not a MicroSoft product. He doesn't like MicroSoft. (He's not alone, I suppose.)

He speaks very well about the tabbed browsing feature.
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Re: New WORD features

Postby analog » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:13 pm

Originally posted by Selma in Sandy Eggo:
OT's favorite feature about FireFox is that it's not a MicroSoft product. He doesn't like MicroSoft. (He's not alone, I suppose.)
Well, I took OT's advice and downloaded Firefox. Within a very few minutes it was up and running, which is unlike anything I've ever tried from microsoft. And the frequency of my Blue Screens of Death is much less now...

For my 2 cents - I echo OT's approval of the product. :)

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Re: New WORD features

Postby treebeau » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:13 pm

Wow, barfle, Word*star !!

Talk about OLDER than dirt. ;)

Made me recall a time when someone needed to read a "text" file that was created by WordStar. If you saved it as a "document" instead of a "non-document" it would add a high order "1" bit to the first character of each "word" in the file. What an annoyance. As a programmer though, it was easy to write a program to turn off all the high order bits and write the content to a separate file. Ah, those were the days.

I recently upgraded all of my old 5.25 inch floppies and a good deal of 3.5 onto CDs. Some archive info was Wordstar docs. Memories! I was finally able to unplug the 5.25 drive. Next time I upgrade innards, it is going in the museum closet.

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Re: New WORD features

Postby barfle » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:00 pm

Originally posted by treebeau:
Wow, barfle, Word*star !!

Talk about OLDER than dirt. ;)
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Re: New WORD features

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:09 pm

Originally posted by Jane:
I stubborn when it comes to change I'm afraid.
Careful, you're starting to sound lie Tarzan... :D ), I find their business practices to be more vampirical( :cool: I found another instance where I could use my word!) than I'm comfortable with, and their product is fairly mediocre. That they, to this day, don't have GUI down as well as Apple had it as far back as 1984 ought to be a cause for embarrassment for them, IMNSHO.

Another knock on TinyFlaccid: Have you ever heard of a Mac user complaining about viruses?
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Serenity » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:09 am

How did Microsoft ever dominate such a large chunk of the market?
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:41 am

Originally posted by Serenity:
How did Microsoft ever dominate such a large chunk of the market?
Marketing, planning, and more marketing.

Microsoft designed their software for the secretary, and the accountant, and the inventory manager. The Office components send reports to each other so that, once you're used to it, things are quick and relatively clean. When things were actually competitive, and when there were several equivalent systems and software packages available, Microsoft targeted the secretary. Apple targeted the schools. IBM targeted the executives. Sun targeted the engineers. Guess who got it right? Yup. Microsoft, and Sun. Word, Excel, and PowerPoint run the offices. Unix runs the internet, the design facility, and the production shops.

Plus, Blackheart Billy bought, undercut, or otherwise eliminated viable competitive packages and opsys (anyone else remember PC/DOS? And I used a database called Condor, and WordPerfect, and the one wouldn't talk to the other.) Very aggressive marketing. I hear his favorite letter is "Rrrrrr".
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Re: New WORD features

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:07 am

I think MicroSoft's path to success even predates all of that. It really all started with MSDOS and IBM. I forget the details, but the situation played out to where everything IBM built was dependant on MSDOS to function, and their only viable compaetition was Apple's OS/2(I think that's what it was called). But since IBM dominated the computer market at the time, MS had a huge volume advantage. I think Steve Jobb's targeting of the education market was something of a result of the fact that MS had it all sewed up with IBM.
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Re: New WORD features

Postby balky » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:39 am

I've tried AbiWord and OpenOffice. They are good alternatives to MS Word, and they run on Linux distributions, Windows, and other OSes. :) I must give AbiWord a tighter hug than OpenOffice, since you can actually use it on old computers(it is not a disk space and memory hog for today's computers).

As for WordPerfect, I have an old Windows 3.1 version here, and for me it still rocks. :) If my Pentium IV conks out(I'm completely migrating to Slackware 10.2, OpenOffice, and AbiWord on it), I still have my Pentium 166 with OS/2 Warp Connect (ah, the old days) to run WordPerfect. :) I bought WordPerfect from a surplus shop, and I think it only costed me P500 (US$10). It was a few years ago, and it was a bargain for me. :)

Oh, btw, OS/2 was made by IBM. A contributing factor to OS/2's lower popularity when compared to Windows is that big developers(Adobe, Corel, etc.) didn't bother to make software for OS/2. But I still use the OS on a hobbyist BBS.

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Re: New WORD features

Postby Shapley » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:10 am

Barfle,

RE:Shap, if you need to convert those files on 5-1/4" floppies, I have a drive that will read them (PC format, SD, DD, HD are all fine), and I can copy them to a 3-1/2" disc, or email them to you.

Thanks. Most of the files are not important. There is a computer center here in town that can convert them for us. We had most of our AutoCAD drawing files that were on floppy burned to a CD a couple of years ago, about the time we realized that we no longer had a drive that would read them. The Word files are mostly old quotations that are no longer valid anyhow. It's easier to retype them. There are some old accounting files, but I don't think we have a program that can read them. They were written for Harmony, which was not Y2K compatible, so it had to go. There are paper copies of everything, but for some reason the disks haven't been thrown out yet. Nostalgia, I suppose.


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Re: New WORD features

Postby piqaboo » Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:49 pm

Im with Selma here too.
And also, 'laziness'.
Once a company has an IS department, conversion to a single supported system is inevitable.
When I started at my present employer, only uppper level folks had computers. Otherwise, a group shared a computer. Therefore several of us at the peon level brougth in our own laptops. At least one person brought in a mac. After a year or two, IS not only refused to support the Mac if things went wonky, they made it official policy we could not use Macs on the network.

Even funnier was my previous employer. We had too many Macs in place to stop using them, but they came around and installed :eek: "Windows for Macintosh" :eek: on them all!
My computer crash rate went from 0 per year, to ~ 6 per year.
When I got to this job, with full on PC assigned to me (eventually) I went thru a year of daily crashes, then got an upgrade to weekly crashes, and now its down to about 2x per month (4 total upgrades).
I save so frequently it looks like a nervous twitch. I keep trying to save these posts as I type them. ctrl S.
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Re: New WORD features

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:44 pm

"Oh, btw, OS/2 was made by IBM. A contributing factor to OS/2's lower popularity when compared to Windows is that big developers(Adobe, Corel, etc.) didn't bother to make software for OS/2. But I still use the OS on a hobbyist BBS."

Thanks for the catch, Balky. I was going from dim memory, just can't remember what Apple's operating system was called.
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Serenity » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:14 am

The switch from DOS to Windows was a blatant attempt to copy the success of the Mac's operating system.
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Serenity » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:53 am

CREATION.EXE

In the beginning there was the computer. And God said

c:\>Let there be light!

Enter user id.

c:\>God

Enter password.

c:\>Omniscient

Password incorrect. Try again.

c:\>Omnipotent

Password incorrect. Try again.

c:\>Technocrat

And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Sunday, March 1.

c:\>Let there be light!

Unrecognizable command. Try again.

c:\>Create light

Done

c:\>Run heaven and earth

And God created Day and Night. And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Sunday, March 1.

And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Monday, March 2.

c:\>Let there be firmament in the midst of water and light

Unrecognizable command. Try again.

c:\>Create firmament

Done.

c:\>Run firmament

And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Monday, March 2.

And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3.

c:\>Let the waters under heaven be gathered together unto one place
and let the dry land appear and

Too many characters in specification string. Try again.

c:\>Create dry_land

Done.

c:\>Run firmament

And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3.

And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4.

c:\>Create lights in the firmament to divide the day from the night

Unspecified type. Try again.

c:\>Create sun_moon_stars

Done

c:\>Run sun_moon_stars

And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4.

And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Thursday, March 5.

c:\>Create fish

Done

c:\>Create fowl

Done

c:\>Run fish, fowl

And God created the great sea monsters and every living creature
that creepeth wherewith the waters swarmed after its kind and every
winged fowl after its kind. And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Thursday, March 5.

And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Friday, March 6.

c:\>Create cattle

Done

c:\>Create creepy_things

Done

c:\>Now let us make man in our image

Unspecified type. Try again.

c:\>Create man

Done

c:\>Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and
have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and
over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth

Too many command operands. Try again.

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 6 errors.

c:\>Insert breath

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 5 errors.

c:\>Move man to Garden of Eden

File Garden of Eden does not exist.

c:\>Create Garden.edn

Done

c:\>Move man to Garden.edn

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 4 errors.

c:\>Copy woman from man

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 2 errors.

c:\>Create desire

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in Garden.edn

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.

c:\>Create freewill

Done

c:\>Run freewill

And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in Garden.edn

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.

c:\>Undo desire

Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created.

c:\>Destroy freewill

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.

Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.

c:\>Help

Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created.

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.

Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.

c:\>Create tree_of_knowledge

And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in
Garden.edn

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.

c:\>Create good, evil

Done

c:\>Activate evil

And God saw he had created shame.

Warning system error in sector E95. Man and woman not in Garden.edn. 1
errors.

c:\>Scan Garden.edn for man, woman

Search failed.

c:\>Delete shame

Shame cannot be deleted once evil has been activated.

c:\>Destroy freewill

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.

Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.

c:\>Stop

Unrecognizable command. Try again

c:\>Break

c:\>Break

c:\>Break

ATTENTION ALL USERS *** ATTENTION ALL USERS: COMPUTER GOING DOWN FOR
REGULAR DAY OF MAINTENANCE AND REST IN FIVE MINUTES. PLEASE LOG OFF.

c:\>Create new world

You have exceeded your allocated file space. You must destroy old files
before new ones can be created.

c:\>Destroy earth

Destroy earth: Please confirm.

c:\>Destroy earth confirmed

COMPUTER DOWN *** COMPUTER DOWN. SERVICES WILL RESUME SUNDAY, MARCH 8 AT
6:00 AM. YOU MUST SIGN OFF NOW.

And God logged off at 11:59:59 PM, Friday, March 6.
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Re: New WORD features

Postby Serenity » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:57 am

Insufficient consideration has been given to the underground religious war that is transforming the modern world: the division between users of the Macintosh computer and users of MS-DOS compatible computers. I am firmly of the opinion that the Macintosh is Catholic and that DOS is Protestant. Indeed, the Macintosh is counterreformist and has been influenced by the methodical path of the Jesuits. It tells the faithful how they must proceed step by step to reach-if not the Kingdom of Heaven-the moment in which their document is printed. It is catechistic: the essence of revelation is dealt with via simple formulae and sumptuous icons. Everyone has a right to salvation.

DOS is Protestant, or even Calvinistic. It allows free interpretation of scripture, demands difficult personal decisions, imposes a subtle hermeneutics upon the user, and takes for granted the idea that not all can reach salvation. To make the system work you need to interpret it yourself: the user is closed within the loneliness of his own inner torment.

And what about the machine language that lies beneath both operating systems? Ah, that is the stuff of the Old Testament, Talmudic and cabalistic
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