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Music and the Art of Quantum Mechanics

Postby Shapley » Tue May 30, 2006 3:10 pm

Here's the thread. Marye, the ball is in your court.
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Postby piqaboo » Wed May 31, 2006 10:00 am

If you can hear it, you cant tell what speed its being played at :
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Postby Shapley » Wed May 31, 2006 10:45 am

I suppose one could begin by comparing an orchestral work to a substance. Each instrumental part within the compound would be an element which comprises the compound. The notes would then be the atomic structure of the elements.

Like the protons, electrons, and neutrons that comprise an atom, the notes are essentially the same, regardless of the p. It is the arrangement of the notes which distinguishes one element from another, just as the arrangement of protons and electrons determine the characteristics of the element they comprise.

As I know little of the structure of the individual components of the atom, just as I know little of the structure of notes and chords, I hope someone can provide some dialogue to continue the topic.

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Postby navneeth » Wed May 31, 2006 11:06 am

Shapley wrote:I suppose one could begin by comparing an orchestral work to a substance. Each instrumental part within the compound would be an element which comprises the compound. The notes would then be the atomic structure of the elements.

Like the protons, electrons, and neutrons that comprise an atom, the notes are essentially the same, regardless of the p. It is the arrangement of the notes which distinguishes one element from another, just as the arrangement of protons and electrons determine the characteristics of the element they comprise.

As I know little of the structure of the individual components of the atom, just as I know little of the structure of notes and chords, I hope someone can provide some dialogue to continue the topic.

V/R
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:shock:

What about the force-carrying bosons, which "orchestrate" the interactions between the particles? The conductor, maybe. :P
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Postby Shapley » Wed May 31, 2006 11:12 am

The only boatswains I remember carried cables between the pier and the ship. :D
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Postby barfle » Wed May 31, 2006 11:19 am

As I understand it, quantum mechanics was first considered from an analysis of noise - specifically white noise, which is defined as having equal energy at every frequency.

However, since frequency is thought to be infinitely variable, there must be an infinite number of frequencies in any given band of frequencies, whether it be an octave, the range you can hear, or even that encompassed by a note played with tremolo. All that means that, in order for there to not be infinite energy in any white noise spectrum, the amount of energy at each frequency must be zero, which we know it isn't, because then the noise would be silent. All pretty philosophical, if you ask me.

Sooooo, to try to aleviate that zero times infinity issue, someone came up with the idea that there is not an infinitely fine grain to the universes of matter and energy - that there is a minimum amount of energy, a "quantum," that can be emitted or received at any measurement. That amount of energy is called a photon. Yes, it is related to light, but not inherently light as most people understand the term.

When an electron moves from one shell in the atom to another, the atom either receives or emits a photon.

I must admit, I have no idea how this ties in with music, except for the "noise" part when dealing with the Revenge Aria.
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Postby Shapley » Wed May 31, 2006 11:23 am

Wow! I have this incredible feeling of Deja Vu!













Wow! I have this incredible feeling of Deja Vu!

















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Postby navneeth » Wed May 31, 2006 11:27 am

barfle wrote:As I understand it, quantum mechanics was first considered from an analysis of noise - specifically white noise, which is defined as having equal energy at every frequency.

Quantum theory had its beginnings with study of blackbody radiation. What Planck did was just a mathematical trick, the physical basis of which, was published five years later by a then unknown patent clerk in Switzerland. The subject of quantum mechanics as we know it today was develeoped a couple of decades later.
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Postby Shapley » Wed May 31, 2006 11:34 am

Ah! Yes! Planck's Law. I remember that one:

Obey the Captain or walk the Planck. :D
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Postby navneeth » Wed May 31, 2006 11:38 am

Shapley wrote:Ah! Yes! Planck's Law. I remember that one:

Obey the Captain or walk the Planck. :D

Something tells me that you are/were a mariner. :D
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Postby Marye » Wed May 31, 2006 11:45 am

Hilarious thread Shap! :lol: and you started it off really well.


Holsts the Planets must have employed some space time continuum here.
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Postby Shapley » Wed May 31, 2006 12:02 pm

Navneeth,

Yes, I was a mariner at one time. I hope to return to the sea again soon.

There are a handful of us ex-Navy men here online. Perhaps we need a Sea Chanties thread. :D

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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Wed May 31, 2006 12:31 pm

Isn't there a sea chanty about hosepipes and the Captain's daughter?
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Postby Shapley » Wed May 31, 2006 12:39 pm

Selma,

Yes, Drunken Sailor has lyrics about a hosepipe and the Captain's Daughter.

What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus:)

Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Earl-eye in the morning

Shave his belly with a rusty razor,
Shave his belly with a rusty razor,
Shave his belly with a rusty razor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

Put him in the hold with the Captain's daughter,
Put him in the hold with the Captain's daughter,
Put him in the hold with the Captain's daughter,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

Put him the back of the paddy wagon,
Put him the back of the paddy wagon,
Put him the back of the paddy wagon,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

Throw him in the lock-up 'til he's sober,
Throw him in the lock-up 'til he's sober,
Throw him in the lock-up 'til he's sober,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

That's what we do with a drunken sailor,
That's what we do with a drunken sailor,
That's what we do with a drunken sailor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

V/R
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Postby barfle » Wed May 31, 2006 12:53 pm

Shave his belly with a rusty razor
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Postby bignaf » Wed May 31, 2006 1:11 pm

we sang a choral version of that arranged by Robert shaw.
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Postby piqaboo » Wed May 31, 2006 1:29 pm

put him in the long boat and make him bail 'er.


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Postby DavidS » Wed May 31, 2006 2:09 pm

Shapley wrote:Selma,

Yes, Drunken Sailor has lyrics about a hosepipe and the Captain's Daughter.

What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus:)

Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Earl-eye in the morning

Shave his belly with a rusty razor,
Shave his belly with a rusty razor,
Shave his belly with a rusty razor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

Put him in the hold with the Captain's daughter,
Put him in the hold with the Captain's daughter,
Put him in the hold with the Captain's daughter,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
What do you do with a drunken sailor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

Put him the back of the paddy wagon,
Put him the back of the paddy wagon,
Put him the back of the paddy wagon,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

Throw him in the lock-up 'til he's sober,
Throw him in the lock-up 'til he's sober,
Throw him in the lock-up 'til he's sober,
Earl-eye in the morning!

(chorus)

That's what we do with a drunken sailor,
That's what we do with a drunken sailor,
That's what we do with a drunken sailor,
Earl-eye in the morning!

V/R
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The finale of one of Mozart's piano concertos (I forget which one).
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Postby barfle » Wed May 31, 2006 4:06 pm

Have you seen the captain's daughter
Ear-lie in the marnin'
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Postby Shapley » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:38 am

The Asteroids Are Comin', The Asteroids Are Comin!

Well, okay, it's not about music, or quantum mechanics. But I kind of like this thread, so I thought I'd put this link here.

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