Musical Wish List

Chat with fellow classical music fans about your favorite composers. Ask a question about your favorite composition. Musicians are encouraged to post their ideas about music or a performance! This forum is for classical music fans from all around the world! Join in a classical conversation today.

Moderator: Nicole Marie

Postby Catmando » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:39 pm

bignaf wrote:(and Daniel Barenboim's haed ona silver platter, as a side dish).


What's wrong with Daniel Barenboim? :shock:
Catmando
1st Chair
 
Posts: 2866
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:01 am

Postby bignaf » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:43 pm

Catmando wrote:
bignaf wrote:(and Daniel Barenboim's haed ona silver platter, as a side dish).


What's wrong with Daniel Barenboim? :shock:

I don't lik ehis conducting, and his personality annoys me. as well as his voicing an opinion, loudly and repeateadly with a sense of superioirty, about things he has no clue about, i.e. politics.
bignaf
1st Chair
 
Posts: 5291
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:01 am
Location: Judean Hills

Postby Catmando » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:48 pm

bignaf wrote:I don't lik ehis conducting, and his personality annoys me. as well as his voicing an opinion, loudly and repeateadly with a sense of superioirty, about things he has no clue about, i.e. politics.


I don't have any of his work as a conductor. And I don't know about his opinions/sense of superiority, views on politics etc. I'm not *ig into politics anyways (blame that on me being Canadian......or G.W. Bush :lol: )

I do have Barenboim's work for Beethoven's complete piano sonatas, and I do enjoy them. :)
Catmando
1st Chair
 
Posts: 2866
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:01 am

Postby DavidS » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:45 am

Catmando wrote:My current wishlist (which is long!):

Bruckner - Complete symphonies

Dvorak - Complete symphonies

Brahms - Complete orchestral works

Beethoven - Choral Fantasy, Mass in C, Missa Solemnis, Christ on the Mount of Olives, Piano Trios, Diabelli Variations, Cello Sonatas.

DeBussy - La Mer, Claire de lune, Prelude d'un apres-midi d'un faune

Chopin - Piano works

Stravinksy - The Rite of Spring

Saint-Saens - Danse Macabre

Jerry Goldsmith - The Omen (1976 soundtrack)

Michael Oldfield - Tubular Bells



Oy vey! A long list.......

Any recommendations on any of these, especially the non-Beethoven works, are welcome. :shock:

Ray

My list is even longer - all the above +

Mozart - every single thing the man wrote
Smetana - ditto
Borodin - ditto
Tschaikovsky - ditto
Rachmaninov - ditto
Khachaturian - ditto

and many more besides!
Tel grain, tel pain.
DavidS
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:01 am
Location: Originally London, now near Tel-Aviv

Postby DavidS » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:53 am

bignaf wrote:
Catmando wrote:
bignaf wrote:(and Daniel Barenboim's haed ona silver platter, as a side dish).


What's wrong with Daniel Barenboim? :shock:

I don't lik ehis conducting, and his personality annoys me. as well as his voicing an opinion, loudly and repeateadly with a sense of superioirty, about things he has no clue about, i.e. politics.


He's not the first artist to get *unnecessarily* involved in such stuff - remember Beethoven and Verdi (whom we now forgive). Richard Wagner, Ezra Pound, and Yehudi Menuhin?
What gets my goat is clerics getting into that minefield...
Tel grain, tel pain.
DavidS
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:01 am
Location: Originally London, now near Tel-Aviv

Postby bignaf » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:27 am

Catmando wrote:
bignaf wrote:I don't lik ehis conducting, and his personality annoys me. as well as his voicing an opinion, loudly and repeateadly with a sense of superioirty, about things he has no clue about, i.e. politics.


I don't have any of his work as a conductor. And I don't know about his opinions/sense of superiority, views on politics etc. I'm not *ig into politics anyways (blame that on me being Canadian......or G.W. Bush :lol: )

I do have Barenboim's work for Beethoven's complete piano sonatas, and I do enjoy them. :)

he was a good pianist, but he isn't anymore. he hardly plays solo piano stuff anymore.
bignaf
1st Chair
 
Posts: 5291
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:01 am
Location: Judean Hills

Postby bignaf » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:36 am

DavidS wrote:
bignaf wrote:
Catmando wrote:
bignaf wrote:(and Daniel Barenboim's haed ona silver platter, as a side dish).


What's wrong with Daniel Barenboim? :shock:

I don't lik ehis conducting, and his personality annoys me. as well as his voicing an opinion, loudly and repeateadly with a sense of superioirty, about things he has no clue about, i.e. politics.


He's not the first artist to get *unnecessarily* involved in such stuff - remember Beethoven and Verdi (whom we now forgive). Richard Wagner, Ezra Pound, and Yehudi Menuhin?
What gets my goat is clerics getting into that minefield...


What bothers me is when an artist who has no special insight into an issue, and isn't particularly briliant aside from his/her artistic talent (which is great but not applicable) uses his/her fame (earned through art) to proclaim their political beliefs. the latter on your list also annoy me a lot.
Beethoven isn't relibly recorded using his position to rally support for one or other. in fact, he was more in support of a general sense of morality than a specific person (OK, he liked Napoleon for a while, but learned his lesson). Verdi definitely didn't suffer from a sense of superiority in that regard.
bignaf
1st Chair
 
Posts: 5291
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:01 am
Location: Judean Hills

Postby DavidS » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:41 pm

I quite agree with you, bignaf.
It's not a matter of a superiority complex - but just that it's best for everyone to have the sense to keep to his own field.
I do appreciate Beethoven all the more for calling his the 3rd symphony by the non-committual name "Eroica" (if it was he that that stuck the name to it), and nowadays we can understand and approve the Italian nationalistic message Verdi was delivering in some of his operas.
Tel grain, tel pain.
DavidS
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:01 am
Location: Originally London, now near Tel-Aviv

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:06 am

Absolutely right. It's just that, once you get to feeling like you're really at the top of your game and you're pretty smart, a person starts thinking that all their opinions are expert opinions.

There are several things that I do exceptionally well. This gives me the smarts to tell, say, Bignaf what music is good? Or tell OT how the piano should be rebuilt? Or barfle how the tubafors should be mounted?

I should stick to things where my expert opinion has actual weight and substance, where I really know something. This also applies to pop stars, religious leaders, and lemming herders.
>^..^<
Selma in Sandy Eggo
1st Chair
 
Posts: 6273
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:01 am
Location: San Diego

Postby DavidS » Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:52 pm

bignaf wrote:
Catmando wrote:
bignaf wrote:he was a good pianist, but he isn't anymore. he hardly plays solo piano stuff anymore.

And you know sump'n?
I find it hard to forget the way he treated that wonderful lady Jacqueline du Pré in her hour of need.
Tel grain, tel pain.
DavidS
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:01 am
Location: Originally London, now near Tel-Aviv

Postby shostakovich » Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:33 pm

Hi David. How did he treat her? Inquiring minds want to know.
shostakovich
1st Chair
 
Posts: 3393
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2000 1:01 am
Location: windsor, ct, usa

Postby bignaf » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:13 pm

I think he continued his tours while she was dying...
bignaf
1st Chair
 
Posts: 5291
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:01 am
Location: Judean Hills

Postby bignaf » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:27 pm

Selma in Sandy Eggo wrote:Absolutely right. It's just that, once you get to feeling like you're really at the top of your game and you're pretty smart, a person starts thinking that all their opinions are expert opinions.

There are several things that I do exceptionally well. This gives me the smarts to tell, say, Bignaf what music is good? Or tell OT how the piano should be rebuilt? Or barfle how the tubafors should be mounted?

I should stick to things where my expert opinion has actual weight and substance, where I really know something. This also applies to pop stars, religious leaders, and lemming herders.


In my opinion you took it too far (or at least what you seem to convey). people should still have opinions, but they should realize that their views, outside their expertise, are just part of the chaotic mass from which consensus is formed. whithin the chaotic mass there will be many small-sample-size peaks and valles, but overall, the consensus emerges. this consensus should be massively influenced by experts; however, when people who are not experts achieve an external power to shape consensus, the system is jeopardized. in other words, the universe is about to be destroyed by the incosistencies generated by Barenboim. Barenboim is destroying the universe. in other words, Barenboim is the devil. ummm... how did I get here???

so basically, you're allowed to tell me what music is good, but I am even more allowed to temper that observation with my own knowledge.

I must also strongly disagree with your assesment of lemming herders. :evil: Lemming herders are actually the only people who are experts in everything. In fact, everyone would benefit from going on a pilgrimage to gain some insights from the Lemming herders.

and here is my prophecy for the end of days: The Master Lemming Herder and Barenboim will clash in a great battle, which the Master Lemming Herdfer will win with a well aimed lump of lemming dung.

peace.
bignaf
1st Chair
 
Posts: 5291
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:01 am
Location: Judean Hills

Postby Shapley » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:25 pm

Bignaf,

I agree. It's not the celebrity's opinions that are annoying, it's the fact that some people, and the media that portray them, give their opinions greater weight than anyone elses. There is nothing that says that George Clooney's knowledge on politics is any more valid than anyone elses, but he gets airplay because of his celebrity status. It's fine that he has an opinion, but so what. So does everyone else.

V/R
Shapley
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
Shapley
Patron
 
Posts: 15196
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:01 am
Location: Cape Girardeau, MO

Postby DavidS » Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:00 pm

bignaf wrote:I think he continued his tours while she was dying...

I won't mind being proven wrong, but my impression was that it was more than tours.
Tel grain, tel pain.
DavidS
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:01 am
Location: Originally London, now near Tel-Aviv

Postby bignaf » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:19 am

DavidS wrote:
bignaf wrote:I think he continued his tours while she was dying...

I won't mind being proven wrong, but my impression was that it was more than tours.

oh right, forgot that. yeah.
bignaf
1st Chair
 
Posts: 5291
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:01 am
Location: Judean Hills

Postby BigJon@Work » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:21 am

I keep thinking of George Soros when you talk about someone who's opinions outside his field of expertise aren't worthy of the attention they get.

Take this to the Debate Team if you want to reply, please. I don't want to junk up this forum.
"I am a 12 foot lizard." GCR Jan 31, 2006
BigJon@Work
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 2252
Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 12:01 am
Location: work. Duh!

Postby bignaf » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:01 pm

OK, back to topic. sorry for hijcak. I opened a thread in Dabate Team.
Last edited by bignaf on Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
bignaf
1st Chair
 
Posts: 5291
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:01 am
Location: Judean Hills

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:28 pm

BOT, I think we agreed that Barenboim is less desirable than, say, Karajan. Yes?

Just got the soundtrack to Henry V - bought it for the Non Nobis Domine number. I need to get some Webber musicals; I like to try to sing along. So far, I only have Phantom of the Opera. I'm looking for Cats next.
>^..^<
Selma in Sandy Eggo
1st Chair
 
Posts: 6273
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:01 am
Location: San Diego

Postby Catmando » Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:33 am

FYI - 25% off classical box sets at B&N.

Good price on Herbert Von Karajan Beethoven Symphonies.

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/boxsets_cds2.asp?PID=1580&z=y&cds2Pid=11609&linkid=684280
Catmando
1st Chair
 
Posts: 2866
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:01 am

PreviousNext

Return to Musical Notes

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

cron