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” Cuba's drilling plans have been in place for several years, but now that China, India and others are involved and fuel prices are unusually high, a growing number of lawmakers and business leaders in the United States are starting to complain. They argue that the United States' decades-old ban against drilling in coastal waters is driving up domestic energy costs and, in this case, is giving two of America's chief economic competitors access to energy at the United States' expense.
"This is the irony of ironies," Charles T. Drevna, executive vice president of the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association, said of Cuba's collaboration with China and India. "We have chosen to lock up our resources and stand by to be spectators while these two come in and benefit from things right in our own backyard."
shostakovich wrote:Thanks for the example. How did company B eliminate 45 tons/year? What impact did the reduction have?
Shapley wrote: ......... Industry now finds that, instead of devoting resources to punitive fines levied by the EPA, it can spend those resources on air-quality programs that work.
I'm not a big Al Gore fan, and while global warming is obviously happening, I've remained unconvinced that humans are the primary driving force behind that. But this is a very powerful and effective film.
I could quibble about how the opposing viewpoints and science were not given adequate exposure or how he used this soapbox a little too much to air his bitterness about the 2000 election, but I didn't walk away from the film feeling offended by that. I walked away with a new respect for Al Gore as he clearly has put a lot of effort and passion into this work. His political persona is unlikable. His portyal in the film is paternal, gentle, understanding.
What is interesting is that while I don't view the science quite the same way that Gore does, I do subscribe to all of the ideas that he presents (and you have to wait until the last 5 minutes and through the credits to see these ideas), except 1. That one being Kyoto. Distilling my position on Kyoto, my primary gripe is that certain developing nations are on a trajectory to contribute far more to global warming than the US does, yet they would be exempt.
But the underlying force behind human contribution of global warming (if we in fact are significantly contributing) is not the amount of GHG that goes into the atmosphere so much as the rate. This rate is tied to the global population. The population of the planet was touched upon, and fundamentally, that is the root of any human contribution to global warming.
DW and I went out to dinner after the movie. Coincidentally, we both had formulated a picture of the things that we could do better to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. We were both most distressed by our friends and family members that talk about how bad GWB (or the US) is for the environment and have 2 less-than-20mpg vehicles in the driveway. This "I'm not going to take personal responsibility until the law says I have to" mentality is understandable from those that do not subscribe to the need for change. But for the rest of us, actions speak louder than words.
I was disappointed that there was no obvious mention of where the proceeds of this movie are going. I do believe everyone should see this film and keep in mind that the real life case argument is not as compeling as is portrayed, but there is no downside to taking individual steps to reduce your personal carbon usage. I do hope that some aspects of this film can be edited into a license free production for showing in schools.
I guess I'm not asking a question or presenting an argument...just taking the opportunity to reflect on a polarizing issue and a film that has had some effect on my position. I am motivated to be part of the solution.
barfle wrote:I guess RCA Victor, GE, Fisher, Heath, Altec-Lansing, and Atwater Kent didn't make the list.
jamiebk wrote:Analog....your last sentence was just what I was thinking....Mother nature will find a balance, but I fear that the process won't be very kind to mankind...
analog wrote:Dynaco, Harmon Kardon, Marantz, McIntosh; they just don't make nostalgia like they used to.. sigh......... I miss beam power pentodes.
barfle wrote:analog wrote:Dynaco, Harmon Kardon, Marantz, McIntosh; they just don't make nostalgia like they used to.. sigh......... I miss beam power pentodes.
Ahhh, for the good old days, when nostalgia was "in."
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