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I understand your point, but the issue here is that we buy much less of our oil from the Middle East than is popularly believed.
Haggis@wk wrote:” I haven't heard anyone in the Democratic party espouse this as a policy. Show me where someone said it.”
Jeez, are you going to make me look up all the Murtha quotes espousing total U.S. withdrawal from Iraq?
" didn't say Iraq, I said the whole Middle East, including Israel. And I don't mean just pull troops out, but all forms of aid."
” Of greatest importance, America should be willing to increase its aid to Egypt beyond the current level of $2.1 billion per year, as long as Egypt moves along a progressive path, and decrease it if Egypt fails to do so.”
Haggis@wk wrote:" didn't say Iraq, I said the whole Middle East, including Israel. And I don't mean just pull troops out, but all forms of aid."
Oh, my bad. Well, since the Democrats are the one who initially recognized Israel as a country I'd have to say that the chances of that happening are nil. As it should be, Israel might survive if we cut off aid but Egypt wouldn't and the results would let slip the dogs of war.
In essence your preference would lead to a regional war, possibly (probably?) nuclear. Without access to Egypt we would have no access to Africa or even the Persian Gulf since any government (probably Islamic, similar to Iran) that replaces the current Egyptian government would deny U.S. ships access to the Suez Canal without easy access to the Persian Gulf would encourage Iran into committing some mischief, like blocking the straits of Hormuz
Beside, it seem that a Democratic Administration would consider increasing the aid if elected into office.” Of greatest importance, America should be willing to increase its aid to Egypt beyond the current level of $2.1 billion per year, as long as Egypt moves along a progressive path, and decrease it if Egypt fails to do so.”
No, cutting and running from the Middle East would make it infinitely worse than it is now and would cause serious economic hardship for the region as well as for the U.S.
1) Get off our dependence on Middle East oil.
DavidS wrote:I would also like to see oil-rich Muslim countries set up some kind of "Marshall Plan" to stand their Palestinian (including 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation "refugees") and Lebanese brothers on their feet and give them the opportunity for economic and social stability
"1) Get off our dependence on Middle East oil"
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Haggis@wk wrote:"1) Get off our dependence on Middle East oil"
I can't see how 15% make us dependent
"You know darn good and well that's exactly why we're not in Africa."
Haggis@wk wrote:35,000 people marched against Ahmadinejad at the UN yesterday. Can you find a news source other that the New York Sun? Hint it wasn’t on the AP, Reuters, or Google News.
But Two thousand march against the Iraq war the day before, oh yeah, that made the news
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