30Q #38 - Shapely

[Shapley]

I assume you count Sir Malcolm Arnold as a minor leaguer, so that would leave Bruckner.

[Catmando]

I have a "complete" set of Bruckner symphonies. Symphonies 1-9 conducted by Eugen Jochum.

They do not include the '0' and '00' Symphonies.

This is very misleading. Does this mean Bruckner has 11 Symphonies? If so, why does that EMI box set call it "complete" with only 1-9?

[Shapley]

Louis Spohr was also a composer of nine symphonies, leaving a tenth unfinished.

According to the non-definitive Wikipedia, Bruckner did not count his symphony 0 and 00 (given those numbers after his death), considering both invalid.

If we are to exclude Dvorak because he did not count four of his symphonies, then we have to apply the same rule to Bruckner.

V/R
Shapley

[bignaf]

How about this theory? Mahler's "Symphony #8" is not really a symphony. DLVDE is also not a symphony. So when he wrote the so-called 9th, it was really the 8th. That's how he tried to fake out fate. But fate outfoxed him. He called the 9th "10th", and he never finished. So, there is only one major composer (that I can think of) after Beethoven who managed to finish a 9th. WHO WAS IT?

Note, Dvorak's New World was the 5th at the time of his death. The first 4 were only published after he died. Vaughan Williams' Sea Symphony, so-called #1, is not really a symphony for the same reason Mahler's "8th" isn't. So VW did not finish a 9th. Fate got a bit testy over the ploy, and got VW just before the premiere recording of the "9th", actually his 8th, making absolutely certain there would be no 9th.

So who, after Beethoven, finished a "9th"? Fate doesn't bother with minor leaguers, so we shouldn't either.
Shos

[Catmando]

How about this theory? Mahler's "Symphony #8" is not really a symphony. DLVDE is also not a symphony. So when he wrote the so-called 9th, it was really the 8th. That's how he tried to fake out fate. But fate outfoxed him. He called the 9th "10th", and he never finished. So, there is only one major composer (that I can think of) after Beethoven who managed to finish a 9th. WHO WAS IT?

Note, Dvorak's New World was the 5th at the time of his death. The first 4 were only published after he died. Vaughan Williams' Sea Symphony, so-called #1, is not really a symphony for the same reason Mahler's "8th" isn't. So VW did not finish a 9th. Fate got a bit testy over the ploy, and got VW just before the premiere recording of the "9th", actually his 8th, making absolutely certain there would be no 9th.

So who, after Beethoven, finished a "9th"? Fate doesn't bother with minor leaguers, so we shouldn't either.
Shos

That was my answer on the previous page.

[navneeth]

I hereby declare that Mahler's Das Lied be classified as a dwarf-symphony!

[bignaf]

but I answered it in a more clever way.

Bruckner's 9th is incomplete.

[shostakovich]

How about this theory? Mahler's "Symphony #8" is not really a symphony. DLVDE is also not a symphony. So when he wrote the so-called 9th, it was really the 8th. That's how he tried to fake out fate. But fate outfoxed him. He called the 9th "10th", and he never finished. So, there is only one major composer (that I can think of) after Beethoven who managed to finish a 9th. WHO WAS IT?

Note, Dvorak's New World was the 5th at the time of his death. The first 4 were only published after he died. Vaughan Williams' Sea Symphony, so-called #1, is not really a symphony for the same reason Mahler's "8th" isn't. So VW did not finish a 9th. Fate got a bit testy over the ploy, and got VW just before the premiere recording of the "9th", actually his 8th, making absolutely certain there would be no 9th.

So who, after Beethoven, finished a "9th"? Fate doesn't bother with minor leaguers, so we shouldn't either.
Shos

Why, it was you Shostakovich, of course!

Aw, shucks

[shostakovich]

Yup, Cat and Big knew who I had in mind.

Thanks, Shap for applying the "Dvorak rule" to Bruckner. And Arnold is most definitely a minor leaguer in my estimation. Spohr, too. To save my duff, I'll probably have to demote any other symphonist to the minors --- like Miaskovsy, who wrote almost 30.

Shos

[Peter]

Yup, Cat and Big knew who I had in mind.

Thanks, Shap for applying the "Dvorak rule" to Bruckner. And Arnold is most definitely a minor leaguer in my estimation.

Shos

Well, Shos, it looks like your comment so hurt Sir Malcolm that he lost the will to live.

[Shapley]

Sure, enough! I hadn't heard it till now, so I Googled it:

Sir Malcolm Arnold, R.I.P.

V/R
Shapley

[shostakovich]

Yup, Cat and Big knew who I had in mind.

Thanks, Shap for applying the "Dvorak rule" to Bruckner. And Arnold is most definitely a minor leaguer in my estimation.

Shos

Well, Shos, it looks like your comment so hurt Sir Malcolm that he lost the will to live.

Oh, the guilt! I feel terrible. I really love his English Dances, and I'll never have a chance to tell him now.

Mortified

[Peter]

Shos, you're both a wise man and a naughty boy! But then, aren't we all?

[Trumpetmaster]

Sad to hear about Arnold....
He wrote a fabulous Brass Quintet!