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Postby bignaf » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:54 pm

from the previous thread:

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bignaf wrote:
Brahms sonata op. 1, probably the best op. 1 ever.


Ahh, there's a good idea for a musical duel!
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who would be the contender? Beethoven, trio op. 1, maybe?

Schumann abegg variations?

apparently Bach's six partitas were published as "opus one"
http://www.music.qub.ac.uk/~tomita/essay/CU1-e.html

I'm not sure that would be fair...

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Postby bignaf » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:55 pm

add your suggestions for good candidates!

these are good (and usually we don't think of their op. numbers)

Pagannini's 24 caprices are op.1

Schubert's Erlkoenig ( the D. number is in the 300's)
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Postby Catmando » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:19 am

As you mentioned, Beethoven's Piano Trio Op. 1, should definitely be a contestant!
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Postby Hexameron » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:38 am

Mendelssohn's Piano Quartet in C minor Op. 1

Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto in F-sharp minor Op. 1
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Postby Catmando » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:11 am

Dvorak's String Quintet in A minor, Op. 1
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Postby bignaf » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:03 am

Catmando wrote:As you mentioned, Beethoven's Piano Trio Op. 1, should definitely be a contestant!


the Brahms kicks its rear end! easily! it's an immature piece.
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Postby Catmando » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:04 am

I can't comment on that. I haven't heard Brahms Piano Sonatas yet.
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Postby bignaf » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:12 am

do it! at least op. 1 and op. 5.
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Postby Shapley » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:18 am

I've been in a Saint-Saens mood lately, and I see that his Opus 1 is entitled Trois morceaux for harmonium. I have never seen a recording of this anywhere, not that I've looked. I decided to do some Googling, and didn't find any, but I did find that you can buy harmoniums made in India, that fit in their own travel case. Apparently these mini-reed organs are quite popular there.

Nav, are you familar with them?

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Postby Catmando » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:20 am

bignaf wrote:do it! at least op. 1 and op. 5.


I will get to it eventually. I'm still absorbed in enjoying all his orchestral works, and now recently, his quartets, quintets and sextets.
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Postby bignaf » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:53 am

Harmoniums are used a lot in carnatic music. they're good at providing a drone, but are also used melodically.
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Postby GreatCarouser » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:05 pm

"Rondo C Minor, Op. 1" by Chopin....how bad could it be?
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Postby Peter » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:48 am

bignaf wrote:
Catmando wrote:As you mentioned, Beethoven's Piano Trio Op. 1, should definitely be a contestant!


the Brahms kicks its rear end! easily! it's an immature piece.


Hey, come on guys! Brahms' first three piano sonatas are spread over three different opus numbers, whereas Beethoven's Opus 1 contains all three of his first sonatas. :shock: So there's value for money if nothing else! And the C minor (no.3) was so revolutionary that Haydn advised LvB not to publish it.
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Postby Hexameron » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:49 pm

Peter, aren't you thinking of Beethoven's Op. 2 with his first three piano sonatas?

As for another Opus 1, does Handel's HWV 1 count? The amazing Almira opera is pretty mature for a young Handel.
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Postby navneeth » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:09 pm

Shapley wrote:Nav, are you familar with them?


Familiar...Yes, I've seen them being played in various instances, although never in a carnatic concert - it's from the North. Mostly they are used in ghazals, bhajans (devotional songs performed by a person or a group), qawalis and other places. Hindustani singers use it while they are teaching. I think some of the music "composers" for movies still use them today when they are trying to "create" a tune. :mrgreen: (at least, that's how they used to show it in the movies.)
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Postby Peter » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:22 pm

Hexameron wrote:Peter, aren't you thinking of Beethoven's Op. 2 with his first three piano sonatas?

As for another Opus 1, does Handel's HWV 1 count? The amazing Almira opera is pretty mature for a young Handel.


Sorry Hex, yes, LvB's first three sonatas are of course Op.2, his first three trios are Opus 1. But I think the gist of my point is the same (whatever that was....). BTW, your cover is blown, sir (I know you from the other place). :mrgreen: A feeling of deja vue here... :rofl:
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Postby Hexameron » Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:57 pm

Peter wrote:BTW, your cover is blown, sir (I know you from the other place). :mrgreen: A feeling of deja vue here... :rofl:


I don't know how you did it PDG Bach, but my disguise has been foiled. :bow:
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Postby Peter » Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:53 pm

Hexameron wrote:
I don't know how you did it PDG Bach, but my disguise has been foiled. :bow:


No worries, sir. Your secret is safe with me. :wink: PDG was always my favourite Bach (apart from Burt Bacharach) but how on earth did you know? :roll:
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Postby bignaf » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:34 pm

GreatCarouser wrote:"Rondo C Minor, Op. 1" by Chopin....how bad could it be?

pretty lousy actually, :)
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